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providing text-only Peter, thanks for the response. A couple of quick notes on your reply: > >Phoenix WWW-based email service, looking for the rationale, the > > I guess I'd be leary of getting too frustrated by no reply. I suspect Actually, I'm more interested in the transparency of operation / communication. Guess this falls under the Comms. Cttee (_so_ nice to have a chair in place - have I said "Welcome, Sue!" yet? More to the point - as someone involved at the IP Cttee level, I was surprised to learn about the Phoenix project, by a stray email that landed in my inbox. Is there a process in place for informing the CCN community about upcoming initiatives like this? I've just peeked at a few places where one would expect info like this to appear, and discovered: under CSUITE SERVICES, link 13 (cfn.announce) is empty - but as a newsgroup, that's to be expected. under CSUITE SERVICES, link 24 (WHAT'S NEW on CCN) is woefully outdated - looks like last update was 1995. and under NEWS, EVENTS, HOT TOPICS, link 2 (Latest News) points to the Beacon (great!) ...I don't need to have my nose in everything, but at least two of the above links do not provide curious users with any useful information at all. Whooops, sorry Sue - looks like I'm generating a bunch of work for us. > >VDNs - A wonderful service, if we can be clear on the $$$$. > >$400/year for IPs? Ridiculous! It would make more sense to me if > > Well, Mark we're going over well worn territory here but: Heh - I know it, Peter. Perhaps that questions / concerns continue to be raised indicate that (a) there has been insufficient communication regarding the VDN (?) or (b) there is sufficient disagreement among persons involved as to the plan for VDNs. Can we find a forum for addressing concerns and resolving conflict? > 2. Virtual Domain Names are a valuable commodity for organizations and > individuals. Virtual Domains require setup and on-going maintenance by > Chebucto. (I know no one believes me about this, but next year and the next > year and the next year IP's of any stripe will still need support and > help.) As well, we have to pay for the aforementioned high speed upstream > Internet connection, to say nothing of the computers and modems. We are > billed almost $2000/month for the access, plus another $2000+ for the 80 > odd phone lines we use -- we must therefore, at some point, collect revenue > on a recurring basis. Peter, this is precisely the information that has been missing. It's my belief that agreement and resolution can be reached once everyone has the full story. I had not read this before - it does clarify things somewhat. > operating revenue. I would make an argument that they represent more than > 1% of our costs. I would agree, even without seeing the figures. I would suggest that the cost estimate be balanced in our minds with the value provided by having these IPs. A mutually beneficial relationship. > Having said all this, if you feel that a) the scuba society would OUCH. Peter... it's N.S.-Cuba Assoc (NSCUBA). We're not a bloody diving club! (Oh, I wish I'd been around when they named the organization...) > substantially benefit from a VDN and b) you cannot afford it, pls make a I've been speaking not so much as an IP more as as a CCN Editor. While NSCUBA would love to have a shorter URL, I'm cognizant of the challenges faced by Chebucto. My sense of guilt precludes going this route - I'd like to see us pay our way (if "paying our way" won't bankrupt us!). > The second part is the IP's themselves (185 individuals). My read is that > there is currently not a group that truly represents there interests. Many > IP-editors also serve as IP's. However, most IP's are not represented by this. Agreed. There was an IPE Committee functioning in 1996 - and the few small meetings we had were nontheless wonderful networking opportunities. We are currently a Community Net with little Community interaction (sorry I missed the Bob 'n' Lori's event last month!). Anyone out there willing to get the IPE Cttee up and running again? > wwww.chebucto.ca/sub-directory/subdirectory/organization type URL's makes > even the most low tech person scurry for a graphical interface and a VDN. Precisely the issue. > >As an IPE, I feel frustrated at Chebucto's almost nonexistent public > >image. ...and, yes, I plan to be involved with the Comms cttee as much as possible. However -- Having been a part of the Comms cttee when Joan Waldron was the chair, I remember one frustration being that we were often out of the loop on developments at CCN. Hopefully the new, revitalized Comms Cttee won't face the same difficulties. My thanks again for the input. We now return you to regularly unscheduled emails. Ciao, Mark.
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