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< This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_045E_01D1569D.2CA06B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick & All, Jan 24, 2016 I agree Nick. As you likely are aware, cat is a four letter word on = Naturens for many flawed reasons. Some cats are, without doubt, born = hunters and this trait was at one time highly regarded as in "the mother = is a great mouser". But most current cats are born couch potatoes.=20 In our own yard we have had shortening available year round for 4 = (?) years (and over winter for >45 years), within easy leap of an = interested cat, and about 10 neighbourhood cats who wander in and out = from time to time. But I have seen a cat expressing interest in birds = only once and it took off like a scared cat when I tapped on the window. = Apart from the odd Shrew dropped on the doorstep the only cat/other = animal interaction I have observed in our yard is our cat being hounded = indoors many times one summer by a Blue Jay with a nearby nest and out = cat being attacked by a Raccoon who had apparently forgotten to go back = home before dawn.=20 =20 And yes it is best all round to keep cats in at night and harmless = to let them run in the daytime but punish if necessary undue interest in = birds.=20 This would a wonderful world, that beats even the song of that name, = if our worst problem was cats snoring in some patch of sunlight = outdoors. Yt, DW, Kentville =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nicholas Hill=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect urban = wildlife: a justification based on the precautionary approach. Royal = Zoological Society NSW 169-178) found previously that Cat Density was = not a predictor of passerine numbers but that distance to bushland and = the density of urban housing were (both negative factors). In the study = cited above (regulation of cat ownership etc), they conclude that "cat = welfare is the key issue in a precautionary approach for protection = which respects interests of cat owners". Cat welfare means keeping the = beasts in at night and desexing them so that we do not have a feral cat = problem. In the country here, people let cats breed in outbuildings and = this leads to a desperate situation for these cats and for wildlife.=20 Other authors warned that conclusions drawn in Britain over the impact = of cats (million birds and small mammals killed) were drawn from data on = one single village study in Felmersham. This author (BM Fitzgerald, = 1990. is cat control needed to protect wildlife? Environmental = Conservation 17: 168-169) questioned the extrapolation which we should = in a rural area like NS where birdlife is spread widely over woodland = and clearings We have 3 desexed rescue cats that are in at night and well fed. There = is a local impact on mouse, vole and shrew (no birds seen taken yet) but = the population of these animals is greatly increased by the landuse = round the house..as was observed in Felmersham (rodents and house = sparrows there).=20 Surely all of the following factors need to be considered before we = relegate the cat to the indoors: woodland edges..plant more trees brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris is a refuge for = small birds and voles sustainable agriculture..minimize use of pesticide sprays (see the " = Declines in insectivorous birds associated w hi levels of neonicotinoid" = in Nature 511: 341-3 (2014) and = http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140709-birds-insects-pest= icides-insecticides-neonicotinoids-silent-spring/) Cats connect people to nature, to animals that still have independence = and aloofness and are not wholly removed from primary adaptations. This = makes them attractive in connecting and grounding us but it also is why = I might be hammering away in their defense as they are still predators. = The elderly are given robotic substitutes for pets which only reinforces = our need of connection with the rest of the living world.=20 Nick On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Helene Van Doninck = <helene.birdvet@gmail.com> wrote: Nice to see the endorsement for keeping cats indoors! Helene Helene Van Doninck DVM Cobequid Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre 2220 Irwin Lake Rd Brookfield NS Canada B0N1C0 902-893-0253 helene.birdvet@gmail.com www.cwrc.net Find us on Facebook and Twitter On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com> = wrote: = http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/city+vancouver+hopes+bird+strategy+wil= l+take+flight/10438095/story.html No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7294 / Virus Database: 4522/11472 - Release Date: = 01/24/16 ------=_NextPart_000_045E_01D1569D.2CA06B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Nick & All, = =20 Jan 24, = 2016</DIV> <DIV> <EM> </EM>I agree Nick. As you likely are = aware,=20 cat is a four letter word on Naturens for many flawed reasons. Some cats = are,=20 without doubt, born hunters and this trait was at one time highly = regarded as in=20 "the mother is a great mouser". But most current cats are born couch = potatoes.=20 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> In our own yard we have had shortening = available=20 year round for 4 (?) years (and over winter for >45 years), = within=20 easy leap of an interested cat, and about 10 neighbourhood cats who = wander=20 in and out from time to time. But I have seen a cat expressing interest = in birds=20 only once and it t