[NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"

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I disagree Nick, any animal can become a pest and cats and their 
irresponsible owners are exactly that. Myself, living in the 
countryside where cats are brought to barns and dropped off and many 
owners letting them roam free, I have seen many birds killed. Seen one 
cat jump up on a cloths line to kill a saw-whet owl. An impressive 
predator but way too many (all)=C2=A0at loose in the daytime and night. Dog=
 
owners are not allowed to let their animals/predators roam free and 
neither should cat owners. No pet should be allowed to roam free to 
kill at will, period. 
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:24:43 -0400, Don MacNeill  wrote:

       I agree Nick. 

Don

Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
On 24/01/2016 10:37 AM, Nicholas Hill wrote:

       Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect 
urban wildlife: a justification based on the precautionary approach. 
Royal Zoological Society NSW 169-178) =C2=A0found previously that Cat 
Density was not a predictor of passerine numbers but that distance to 
bushland and the density of urban housing were (both negative 
factors).=C2=A0 In the study cited above (regulation of cat ownership etc),=
 
they conclude that "cat welfare is the key issue in a precautionary 
approach for protection which respects interests of cat owners". Cat 
welfare means keeping the beasts in at night and desexing them so that 
we do not have a feral cat problem. In the country here, people let 
cats breed in outbuildings and this leads to a desperate situation for 
these cats and for wildlife.=C2=A0Other authors warned that conclusions 
drawn in Britain over the impact of cats (million birds and small 
mammals killed) were drawn from data on one single village study in 
Felmersham. This author (BM Fitzgerald, 1990. is cat control needed to 
protect wildlife? Environmental Conservation 17: 168-169) questioned 
the extrapolation which we should in a rural area like NS where 
birdlife is spread widely over woodland and clearings
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We have 3 desexed rescue cats that are in at night and well fed. There 
is a local impact on mouse, vole and shrew (no birds seen taken yet) 
but the population of these animals is greatly increased by the landuse 
round the house..as was observed in Felmersham (rodents and house 
sparrows there).=C2=A0
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Surely all of the following factors need to be considered before we 
relegate the cat to the indoors:
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woodland edges..plant more trees
brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris is a refuge for small 
birds and voles
sustainable agriculture..minimize use of pesticide sprays (see the " 
Declines in insectivorous birds associated w hi levels of 
neonicotinoid" in Nature 511: 341-3 (2014) and =C2=A0 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140709-birds-insects-pestic=
ides-insecticides-neonicotinoids-silent-spring/)
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Cats connect people to nature, to animals that still have independence 
and aloofness and are not wholly removed from primary adaptations. This 
makes them attractive in connecting and grounding us but it also is why 
I might be hammering away in their defense as they are still predators. 
The elderly are given robotic substitutes for pets which only 
reinforces our need of connection with the rest of the living world.=C2=A0
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Nick
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Helene Van Doninck  wrote:

       Nice to see the endorsement for keeping cats indoors!=C2=A0
Helene

Helene Van Doninck DVM
Cobequid Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre
2220 Irwin Lake Rd Brookfield NS Canada B0N1C0
902-893-0253
helene.birdvet@gmail.com
www.cwrc.net
Find us on Facebook=C2=A0and Twitter
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, N Robinson  wrote:

       
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/city+vancouver+hopes+bird+strategy+will+=
take+flight/10438095/story.html



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Nick, any animal can become a pest and cats and their irresponsible owners =
are
exactly that. Myself, living in the countryside where cats are brought to b=
arns
and dropped off and many owners letting them roam free, I have seen many bi=
rds
killed. Seen one cat jump up on a cloths line to kill a saw-whet owl. An
impressive predator but way too many (all)=C2=A0at loose in the daytime and=
 night. 
Dog owners are not allowed to let their animals/predators roam free and nei=
ther
should cat owners. No pet should be allowed to roam free to kill at will,
period.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri;">I agree
Nick.<br><br>Don<br><br></span>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 24/01/2016 10:37 AM, Nicholas Hill wrote:=
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