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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:< This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0713_01D01D08.5B81EE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lois & All, Wow. DW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lois Codling=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Scope of NatureNS: Re: Long again: Re: Long: Re: = [NatureNS] light Great discussion, Dave et al.=C2 The link below is a new idea for = getting solar energy from highways! http://solarroadways.com/main.html Lois Codling On 20/12/2014 9:07 PM, desolatechair wrote: The 'delete it if you don't want to read it' argument has always = been a conundrum to me. =C2 It's difficult to make the delete decision = without knowing the contents, ie reading the post first. I suppose I could make an arbitrary decision to delete all posts by = a given writer. =C2 But that would limit my exposure to new and = different ideas, and defeat the purpose of subscribing to this list in = the first place. Respects, Jamie Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: David & Alison Webster=20 Date:12-20-2014 7:33 PM (GMT-04:00)=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Subject: Scope of NatureNS: Re: Long again: Re: Long: Re: [NatureNS] = light=20 Hi Nick & All=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 = =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 = =C2 =C2 =C2 Dec 20, 2014 =C2 =C2 =C2 The capsule description of the scope of NatureNS, = copied from the "Welcome to NatureNS" e-mail is-- =C2=20 "Why have NatureNS =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 The site is provided for the sharing of information = on=C2 =20 1) the natural history of Nova Scotia and surrounding waters,=20 2) it's conservation, and=20 3) events and activities associated with it." =C2=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 All members are furnished with=C2 an effective=C2 = weapon for posts they don't wish to read; the delete button. If this = were a mechanical device then=C2 mine would have been worn out many = times. =C2 =C2 =C2 My recent posts bear on possible ways to decrease acid = rain and emission of greenhouse gasses. I think both are important = topics in the context of conservation.=20 =C2=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 There is a widespread myth that there is no practical = way to store surplus wind energy and thus an ongoing need to continue = thermal generation. NS Power=C2 finds this excuse convenient because = pouring coal in one end of an existing=C2 pollution factory=C2 and = getting power out the other end does not take a great deal of planning = or coordination.=C2 In addition, the Donkin mine may open soon so it = is=C2 possible that NSP will be encouraged to use this local resource as = much as possible by expanding thermal generation capacity.=20 =C2=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 Opposition to wind generation has often come strangely = enough=C2 from Naturalists; organizations or individuals. This was = helped I expect by a famous site in California that was set in a raptor = migration channel in a mountain pass by, what a concidence, a = Petrochemical Company. There may still be some opposition to wind on = Naturens so I think refreshing the screen is justified. =C2=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 And for the benefit of those who have joined recently I = will paste an old post-- START OF PASTE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dear All, Sept 12, 2007 Wind energy has some serious drawbacks that seem to have been=20 overlooked, the most serious being-- 1) COST: How will increases in the cost of wind be absorbed into the = cost structure ? 2) MERCURY: Using wind to generate electrical power could result in = less=20 usage of coal and thus less Hg in the environment. With less Hg in = the=20 environment, Loons might become low in Hg, ride higher in the water = and=20 consequently become top-heavy and have a tendency to flip sideways = and=20 gargle at critical points in the call. 3) SEA BIRDS: Using wind to generate electrical power could result = in=20 less usage of oil and less oiling of birds at sea. This biocontrol = helps=20 to avoid overcrowding of sea bird colonies so a decrease in oil = spills=20 could have serious consequences. 4) TREES: Using wind to generate electrical power could result in = lower=20 concentrations of low-level Ozone, acid-rain and consequently lead = to=20 less effective biocontrol of trees. And consequently, for example,=20 Spruce trees in the Annapolis Valley might begin to live longer than = 80=20 years, posing dangerous navigation hazards to flying birds as = compared=20 to a low cover of Heath, Sedge and Alder 5) AIR: Using wind to generate electrical power could result in a = lower=20 incidence of smog alerts, respiratory ailments and presumably health = problems in birds or other air-breathing wildlife. A decrease in the = incidence of smog could increase life expectancy, cause overcrowding = and=20 increase the demand for electricity and nesting sites. 6) WIND: Using wind to generate electrical power is likely to slow = the=20 wind down so that it doesn't get there on time, causing air pockets. = The=20 recent Westjet air-pocket incident, far from the nearest wind farm,=20 shows how dangerous this effect can be. Yours truly, Dave Webster, Kentville END OF PASTE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ =C2=20 =C2=20 Yt, DW =C2=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nicholas Hill=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Long again: Re: Long: Re: [NatureNS] light Is this narure? Nick On Dec 20, 2014 3:54 PM, "David & Alison Webster" = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: Hi Steve & All,=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 = =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 Dec 20, 2014 =C2 =C2 Systems which do not work well, such as the Wales site, = do not prove that pumped storage can not work anymore than I can prove, = by direct demonstration, that music can not be extracted from a violin. =C2 =C2 For pumped storage to work reliably one must have = volume sufficient to ride out any prolonged period of calm. An account = of a system which does work, cut from a 2012 e-mail is pasted below. START OF PASTE =C2 =C2 Re Ludington my letter (pasted below) to the Advertiser = Editor (Not used) contains the essentials. Also see = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludington_Pumped_Storage_Power_Plant START OF PASTE Dear Editor:=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 = Sept 24, 2012 =C2 =C2 According to Warren Peck (Register, Can we trust CANWEA = ads ?,Aug