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Index of Subjects --Apple-Mail-D57B39D7-FCA8-4282-9E0C-A74AC28E8995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are now able to use google map tags on Flickr photos of insects to give= some indication of abundance. This had been done for the monarch butterfly a= nd is a very interesting example of crowd sourcing. Here's the link: http://www.programmableweb.com/mashup/monarch-butterfly-migration-explorer Mary=20 On 2013-08-16, at 10:31 AM, "Fred Schueler" <bckcdb@istar.ca> wrote: > On 8/16/2013 6:01 AM, Phil Schappert wrote: >>> Has the Butterfly Atlas in the Maritimes or elsewhere in NA been going >>> on long enough to provide any useful data on population trends for >>> these species? >>=20 >> It's not really the right kind of data, Nancy, since it's concerned with >> diversity/distribution and not abundance. My own survey work this year >> has found every species I expected to see about where and when I >> expected to find them BUT I had to put in a lot more effort this year >> because there are just not as many individuals flying. >=20 > * but for so many taxa, that's the only kind of data it's practical to gat= her. The dual problems with the kind of long term trends we've been discussi= ng in this thread is that 1) it's nearly impossible to find funding to take t= he time to gather up the longterm data (including qualitative musings such a= s those in this thread) that exist, and then to analyse them appropriately, a= nd 2) when you're dealing with a popular taxon like Birds, where the effort f= or such analysis can be eked out, the totally frightening results of the ana= lyses, because they're over the "long" term, which gov't and consumerist soc= iety are ill-equipt to respond to, don't elicit any reaction. >=20 > Look at the Carbon dioxide data in the Keeling Curve from the Mauna Loa Ob= servatory - it requires a complete remaking of society (already mandated by m= any other considerations) if we and other species are to persist, and the th= e present federal gov't's response is - "let's accelerate the process of rap= ing ourselves for doubtfully-useful money." >=20 > fred. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad > Bishops Mills Natural History Centre - http://pinicola.ca/bmnhc.htm > Mudpuppy Night in Oxford Mills - http://pinicola.ca/mudpup1.htm > Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/ > RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0 > on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W > (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ --Apple-Mail-D57B39D7-FCA8-4282-9E0C-A74AC28E8995 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iY29udGVudC10eXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0 L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9dXRmLTgiPjwvaGVhZD48Ym9keSBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxkaXY+VGhleSBh cmUgbm93IGFibGUgdG8gdXNlIGdvb2dsZSBtYXAgdGFncyBvbiBGbGlja3IgcGhvdG9zIG9mIGlu c2VjdHMgdG8gZ2l2ZSBzb21lIGluZGljYXRpb24gb2YgYWJ1bmRhbmNlLiBUaGlzIGhhZCBiZWVu IGRvbmUgZm9yIHRoZSBtb25hcmNoIGJ1dHRlcmZseSBhbmQgaXMgYSB2ZXJ5IGludGVyZXN0aW5n IGV4YW1wbGUgb2YgY3Jvd2Qgc291cmNpbmcuIEhlcmUncyB0aGUgbGluazo8YnI+PHNwYW4gc3R5 bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OiAnLkhlbHZldGljYU5ldWVVSSc7IGZvbnQtc2l6ZTogMTVweDsgbGlu ZS1oZWlnaHQ6IDE5cHg7IHdoaXRlLXNwYWNlOiBub3dyYXA7IC13ZWJraXQtdGFwLWhpZ2hsaWdo dC1jb2xvcjogcmdiYSgyNiwgMjYsIDI2LCAwLjI5Njg3NSk7IC13ZWJraXQtY29tcG9zaXRpb24t ZmlsbC1jb2xvcjogcmdiYSgxNzUsIDE5MiwgMjI3LCAwLjIzMDQ2OSk7IC13ZWJraXQtY29tcG9z aXRpb24tZnJhbWUtY29sb3I6IHJnYmEoNzcsIDEyOCwgMTgwLCAwLjIzMDQ2OSk7IC13ZWJraXQt dGV4dC1zaXplLWFkanVzdDogbm9uZTsgIj48YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnByb2dyYW1tYWJs ZXdlYi5jb20vbWFzaHVwL21vbmFyY2gtYnV0dGVyZmx5LW1pZ3JhdGlvbi1leHBsb3JlciI+aHR0 cDovL3d3dy5wcm9ncmFtbWFibGV3ZWIuY29tL21hc2h1cC9tb25hcmNoLWJ1dHRlcmZseS1taWdy YXRpb24tZXhwbG9yZXI8L2E+PC9zcGFuPjxicj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5NYXJ5Jm5ic3A7PC9k aXY+PGRpdj48YnI+T24gMjAxMy0wOC0xNiwgYXQgMTA6MzEgQU0sICJGcmVkIFNjaHVlbGVyIiAm bHQ7PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmJja2NkYkBpc3Rhci5jYSI+YmNrY2RiQGlzdGFyLmNhPC9hPiZn dDsgd3JvdGU6PGJyPjxicj48L2Rpdj48YmxvY2txdW90ZSB0eXBlPSJjaXRlIj48ZGl2PjxzcGFu Pk9uIDgvMTYvMjAxMyA2OjAxIEFNLCBQaGlsIFNjaGFwcGVydCB3cm90ZTo8L3NwYW4+PGJyPjxi bG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxzcGFuPkhhcyB0 aGUgQnV0dGVyZmx5IEF0bGFzIGluIHRoZSBNYXJpdGltZXMgb3IgZWxzZXdoZXJlIGluIE5BIGJl ZW4gZ29pbmc8L3NwYW4+PGJyPjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUg dHlwZT0iY2l0ZSI+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgdHlwZT0iY2l0ZSI+PHNwYW4+b24gbG9uZyBlbm91Z2gg dG8gcHJvdmlkZSBhbnkgdXNlZnVsIGRhdGEgb24gcG9wdWxhdGlvbiB0cmVuZHMgZm9yPC9zcGFu Pjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxi bG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxzcGFuPnRoZXNlIHNwZWNpZXM/PC9zcGFuPjxicj48L2Js b2NrcXVvdGU+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxzcGFuPjwvc3Bh bj48YnI+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxzcGFuPkl0J3Mgbm90 IHJlYWxseSB0aGUgcmlnaHQga2luZCBvZiBkYXRhLCBOYW5jeSwgc2luY2UgaXQncyBjb25jZXJu ZWQgd2l0aDwvc3Bhbj48YnI+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPjxz cGFuPmRpdmVyc2l0eS9kaXN0cmlidXRpb24gYW5kIG5vdCBhYnVuZGFuY2UuIE15IG93biBzdXJ2 ZXkgd29yayB0aGlzIHllYXI8L3NwYW4+PGJyPjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48YmxvY2txdW90ZSB0eXBl PSJjaXRlIj48c3Bhbj5oYXMgZm91bmQgZXZlcnkgc3BlY2llcyBJIGV4cGVjdGVkIHRvIHNlZSBh Ym91dCB3aGVyZSBhbmQgd2hlbiBJPC9zcGFuPjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUg dHlwZT0iY2l0ZSI+PHNwYW4+ZXhwZWN0ZWQgdG8gZmluZCB0aGVtIEJVVCBJIGhhZCB0byBwdXQg aW4gYSBsb3QgbW9yZSBlZmZvcnQgdGhpcyB5ZWFyPC9zcGFuPjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PGJs b2NrcXVvdGUgdHlwZT0iY2l0ZSI+PHNwYW4+YmVjYXVzZSB0aGVyZSBhcmUganVzdCBub3QgYXMg bWFueSBpbmRpdmlkdWFscyBmbHlpbmcuPC9zcGFuPjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PHNwYW4+PC9z cGFuPjxicj48c3Bhbj4qIGJ1dCBmb3Igc28gbWFueSB0YXhhLCB0aGF0J3MgdGhlIG9ubHkga2lu ZCBvZiBkYXRhIGl0J3MgcHJhY3RpY2FsIHRvIGdhdGhlci4gVGhlIGR1YWwgcHJvYmxlbXMgd2l0 aCB0aGUga2luZCBvZiBsb25nIHRlcm0gdHJlbmRzIHdlJ3ZlIGJlZW4gZGlzY3Vzc2luZyBpbiB0 aGlzIHRocmVhZCBpcyB0aGF0IDEpIGl0J3MgbmVhcmx5IGltcG9zc2libGUgdG8gZmluZCBmdW5k aW5nIHRvIHRha2UgdGhlIHRpbWUgdG8gZ2F0aGVyIHVwIHRoZSBsb25ndGVybSBkYXRhIChpbmNs dWRpbmcgcXVhbGl0YXRpdmUgbXVzaW5ncyBzdWNoIGFzIHRob3NlIGluIHRoaXMgdGhyZWFkKSB0 aGF0IGV4aXN0LCBhbmQgdGhlbiB0byBhbmFseXNlIHRoZW0gYXBwcm9wcmlhdGVseSwgYW5kIDIp IHdoZW4geW91J3JlIGRlYWxpbmcgd2l0aCBhIHBvcHVsYXIgdGF4b24gbGlrZSBCaXJkcywgd2hl cmUgdGhlIGVmZm9ydCBmb3Igc3VjaCBhbmFseXNpcyBjYW4gYmUgZWtlZCBvdXQsIHRoZSB0b3Rh bGx5IGZyaWdodGVuaW5nIHJlc3VsdHMgb2YgdGhlIGFuYWx5c2VzLCBiZWNhdXNlIHRoZXkncmUg b3ZlciB0aGUgImxvbmciIHRlcm0sIHdoaWNoIGdvdid0IGFuZCBjb25zdW1lcmlzdCBzb2NpZXR5 IGFyZSBpbGwtZXF1aXB0IHRvIHJlc3BvbmQgdG8sIGRvbid0IGVsaWNpdCBhbnkgcmVhY3Rpb24u PC9zcGFuPjxicj48c3Bhbj48L3NwYW4+PGJyPjxzcGFuPk