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--Boundary_(ID_u74JHG5AnDCNTJCiXm5w9w) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here's some more info' re predators on ducklings in estuaries. Cheers from Jim in Wolfville Begin forwarded message: > From: John Gilhen <GILHENJA@gov.ns.ca> > Date: June 15, 2010 9:42:30 AM ADT > To: "James W. Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca> > Subject: Re: Question: Underwater Predation Of Ducklings > > Hi Jim; > I would say the chances are pretty good. I received a number of > reports over the years of Snapping Turtles in estuaries. I'm only > guessing here of course. The Goosefish, Lophius americanus, > possible in salt water. > John > >>>> "James W. Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca> 6/14/2010 11:14 PM >>> > John, what is the chance of a snapping turtle being in brackish or > salt water, or a tidal area of a river? Cheers from Jim -- once > perhaps 20 years ago I found a snapping turtle adult on an intertidal > rock at Risser's Beach! and it blew my mind -- I carried it into the > woods near a small stream there. > > Something else about the original story below bugs me, namely that > the ducklings were of different sizes and ages -- that doesn't fit > any normal "family" of ducks, since all the young hatch within a day > or less and would be the same sizes, unless more than one family was > together, which would fit common eider creches along the coasts in > brackish or salt water. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Bob Haimes <bob.haimes@ns.sympatico.ca> >> Date: June 14, 2010 2:17:47 PM ADT >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Underwater Predation Of Ducklings >> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> >> Hello all; >> >> A couple of other possibilities are snapping turtles, I have seen >> them grab a seagull and try to drown it >> and loons as I have seen them take Eider chicks down in Green Bay. >> >> Bob Haimes >> >> From: Hubcove@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:54 PM >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Underwater Predation Of Ducklings >> >> Both Northern Pike and Muskies will take small birds but there are >> none around here. I once caught a large Brown trout in BC that >> disgorged a very small duckling and another with a small mouse in >> its stomach. There are sea run trout in the mouth of the >> Musquodoboit this time of the year but I doubt they are big enough >> to take a duckling. My guess would be an otter. They certainly come >> down the river into our cove in the spring. >> Peter Stow >> Hubbards >> >> In a message dated 14/06/2010 10:57:53 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, >> duartess2003@yahoo.ca writes: >> Hello All, >> >> My sister & her husband, who have a place on the Musquodoboit >> Harbour near to where it joins the Musquodoboit River, have seen, >> on several occasions, an unusual occurrence. >> A family of ducks will be swimming along (& the ducklings have been >> of varying ages, anywhere from quite young to fledgling, size- >> wise), when all of a sudden one would just disappear as if suddenly >> pulled under. It does not re-appear. The rest of the duck family >> skitter quickly away. >> They were wondering what would be the most likely type of animal >> that would and could do this. Seal, otter, some kind of fish, or >> bird? >> >> Thank you for your thoughts. >> >> Gayle MacLean >> Dartmouth >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: >> 06/14/10 03:35:00 > > --Boundary_(ID_u74JHG5AnDCNTJCiXm5w9w) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> Here's some more info' re predators on ducklings in estuaries. = <div><br></div><div>Cheers from Jim in = Wolfville<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: = </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">John Gilhen <<a = href=3D"mailto:GILHENJA@gov.ns.ca">GILHENJA@gov.ns.ca</a>></font></div>= <div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: = </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">June 15, 2010 9:42:30 AM ADT</font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"James W. = Wolford" <<a = href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</a>></fon= t></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: Question: Underwater Predation = Of Ducklings</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div> <div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Jim;</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">I would say the chances are pretty good. I received = a number of reports over the years of Snapping Turtles in estuaries. I'm = only guessing here of course. The Goosefish, Lophius americanus, = possible in salt water.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">John</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> = <blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"James W. Wolford" <<a = href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</a>> = 6/14/2010 11:14 PM >>></div> = </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">John, what is = the chance of a snapping turtle being in brackish or <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">salt water, or a tidal area of a river?<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Cheers from Jim -- once = <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">perhaps 20 years ago I found a snapping turtle adult = on an intertidal <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">rock at Risser's Beach! and it blew my mind -- I = carried it into the <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">woods near a small stream there.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">Something else about the original story below bugs me, namely that = <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">the ducklings were of different sizes and ages -- = that doesn't fit <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">any normal "family" of ducks, since all the young = hatch within a day <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">or less and would be the same sizes, unless more = than one family was <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">together, which would fit common eider creches along = the coasts in <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">brackish or salt water.</div><div style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Begin = forwarded message:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: Bob = Haimes <<a = href=3D"mailto:bob.haimes@ns.sympatico.ca">bob.haimes@ns.sympatico.ca</a>&= gt;</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: June 14, 2010 2:17:47 PM = ADT</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Underwater = Predation Of Ducklings</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Reply-To: <a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello = all;</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">A couple of other possibilities are snapping = turtles, I have seen <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">them grab a seagull and try to drown it</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">and loons as I have seen them take Eider chicks down = in Green Bay.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Bob Haimes</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: <a = href=3D"mailto:Hubcove@aol.com">Hubcove@aol.com</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:54 PM</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Underwater = Predation Of Ducklings</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Both Northern Pike and Muskies = will take small birds but there are <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">none around here. I once caught a large Brown trout = in BC that <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">disgorged a very small duckling and another with a = small mouse in <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">its stomach. There are sea run trout in the mouth of = the <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Musquodoboit<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>this time of the year but = I doubt they are big enough <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">to take a duckling. My guess would be an otter. They = certainly come <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">down the river into our cove in the = spring.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Peter Stow</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Hubbards</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In a message dated 14/06/2010 = 10:57:53 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><a = href=3D"mailto:duartess2003@yahoo.ca">duartess2003@yahoo.ca</a> = writes:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello All,</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My = sister & her husband, who have a place on the Musquodoboit <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Harbour near to where it joins the Musquodoboit = River, have seen, <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">on several occasions, an unusual = occurrence.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A family of ducks will be = swimming along (& the ducklings have been <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">of varying ages, anywhere from quite young to = fledgling, size-<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">wise), when all of a sudden one would just disappear = as if suddenly <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">pulled under. It does not re-appear. The rest of the = duck family <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">skitter quickly away.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">They = were wondering what would be the most likely type of animal <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">that would and could do this. Seal, otter, some kind = of fish, or bird?</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Thank you for your thoughts.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gayle = MacLean</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dartmouth</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">No virus = found in this incoming message.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Checked by = AVG - www.avg.com<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - = Release Date: <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">06/14/10 03:35:00</div> </blockquote><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div> = </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Boundary_(ID_u74JHG5AnDCNTJCiXm5w9w)--
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