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Hi Bob & All, May 29, 2010
I have for many decades dreaded going back to favourite haunts; being almost certain to find instead a housing development, a clearcut, a gravel pit or my pioneered cross-country path replaced by a road to nowhere. So I know the feeling.
But landowners have rights and when these are not respected one can expect a brisk market for 'Absolutely no Tresspassing' signs.
As for the owners wishing to remain anonymous-- where did this notion originate ?
When I asked for permission to park my car, in what was then Palmeter's country home parking lot, about 52 years ago, the owner of the land across the tracks was a Palmeter, as indicated by signs along the lines of "Palmeter's Campground' and 'Camping by Permit Only' with somebody Palmeter below. Some land to the west has been, and may still be, owned by a Harrington, who has over the years posted 'No Tree Cutting" signs, with his name on the sign.
Land does sometimes get sold, people die and so fourth, but I have never had reason to suppose that the owners wish '...to remain anonymous'.
One unfortunate aspect of esker scalping is that it may lead to extirpation of plants like Floerkea proserpinacoides (the colony in Coldbrook is no doubt at risk), that survive in seeps that exclude other ground cover, and it leads to unstable stream flow. But as long as demand remains high, sand & gravel will be mined.
On the positive side, clearcuts usually grow back quickly, and gravel pits can create habitat for sun-loving plants and amphibians. But it may be more than 5 decades before the sprawl of houses along roads to nowhere revert to forest.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Stevens
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Concern re: Palmeter Woods
Dear All,
I don't think it's a "legal activity" to allow even a small amount of oil to leak from ?construction equipment into a stream with a turtle population but this seems to have happened at Parmeter Wood sometime during the last few days.
It may well be perfectly legal to damage and probably kill oaks that are certainly older than Canada and probably older than the Province of Nova Scotia all for the sake of a few loads of sand, a common deposit in this part of Nova Scotia, but I can well understand the owners' wishes to remain anonymous.
It is also difficult to see how sand could be trucked out without crossing a public footpath or disturbing the residents of an adjacent special care facility.
Whilst looking around the woods yesterday, I met a fellow lister almost in a state of shock a what could happen to what he described as his "favourite place".
Lets hope a solution can be found but, like others, I have no idea how to start this process.
By chance,The Blomidon Naturalist Society is organizing a walk through the woods on Saturday June 5th meeting at the parking lot of the Evergreen Home, 655 Park Street at 8am.
The walk will provide a chance for interested people to see what is at stake.
Bob Stevens
On 2010-05-26, at 6:16 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:
Hi Richard, May 26, 2010
The owner or owners of this woodland area have kindly allowed the public to go there for many years and it would be expected, in return, that the public should not interfere with legal activity by the landowner. [I don't btw know any of the landowners, other than by possible Surname].
The best way to save this land for public enjoyment would be to negotiate purchase with the owner and. of course, pay as much as he/she could expect to earn by mining it.
The best way to protect such landscape in general would be to diminish the huge demand for sand and gravel most of which is for frivolous purposes.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stern
To: NatureNS
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [NatureNS] Concern re: Palmeter Woods
Many of you will have sen references here to the area of woodland in W.Kentville known unofficially as Palmeter Woods. It lies in what used (?) to be the Kentville Federal Migratory Bird Sanctuary. There are a number of walking trails, used by local hikers, dog-walkers, X-country skiers and naturalists. There is a huge, ugly open sand pit to the west, behind the property "Seven Bridges". As Andy Dean pointed out the other day, there is currently some earth moving equipment digging up the ground in 1 area in there, and the beautiful old oak tree that several people designated one of NS's important trees in a recent survey, has had a number of limbs chopped off to allow access.
After a number of local enquiries I have learned that they are testing the sand in there to see if it is of enough commercial value to extract it (which would presumably mean chopping down the woods and digging another huge sand pit if it is). This is not within the Bird Sanctuary - it's on private land , and is posted "Private Property". The public are presumably allowed to use the area with their unwritten consent.
I have little experience with dealing with this kind of issue, and furthermore I have a personal conflict of interest in that I do not wish to get on the wrong side of the land-owner, whom I know, for totally unrelated reasons. Also, I wouldn't want the land-owner to prevent access to the area because he is annoyed with environmentalists, but ..... is there any way for an environmental group, or the public, or whoever, to monitor this, and is there any way to preserve these woods and prevent them being turned into an environmentally disastrous sand-pit?
Richard
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Bob & All,
May 29, 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> I have for many decades dreaded going back
to favourite haunts; being almost certain to find instead a housing development,
a clearcut, a gravel pit or my pioneered cross-country path replaced by a road
to nowhere. So I know the feeling. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> But landowners have rights and when these
are not respected one can expect a brisk market for 'Absolutely no Tresspassing'
signs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> As for the owners wishing to remain
anonymous-- where did this notion originate ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> When I asked for permission to park my car,
in what was then Palmeter's country home parking lot, about 52 years ago,
the owner of the land across the tracks was a Palmeter, as indicated
by signs along the lines of "Palmeter's Campground' and 'Camping by Permit Only'
with somebody Palmeter below. Some land to the west has been, and may still
be, owned by a Harrington, who has over the years posted 'No Tree
Cutting" signs, with his name on the sign. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Land does sometimes get sold, people die
and so fourth, but I have never had reason to suppose that the owners wish
'...to remain anonymous'. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> One unfortunate aspect of esker scalping is
that it may lead to extirpation of plants like <EM>Floerkea
proserpinacoides</EM> (the colony in Coldbrook is no doubt at risk), that
survive in seeps that exclude other ground cover, and it leads to unstable
stream flow. But as long as demand remains high, sand & gravel will be
mined. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> On the positive side,
clearcuts usually gro</FONT><FONT size=2>w back quickly, and gravel pits
can create habitat for sun-loving plants and amphibians. But it may be more than
5 decades before the sprawl of houses along roads to nowhere revert to forest.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Robert Stevens
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
href="mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Concern re:
Palmeter Woods</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">I don't think it's a
"legal activity" to allow even a small amount of oil to leak from
?construction equipment into a stream with a turtle population but this seems
to have happened at Parmeter Wood sometime during the last few days.</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">It may well be
perfectly legal to damage and probably kill oaks that are certainly older than
Canada and probably older than the Province of Nova Scotia all for the sake of
a few loads of sand, a common deposit in this part of Nova Scotia, but I can
well understand the owners' wishes to remain anonymous.</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">It is also difficult to
see how sand could be trucked out without crossing a public footpath or
disturbing the residents of an adjacent special care facility.</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">Whilst looking around
the woods yesterday, I met a fellow lister almost in a state of shock a what
could happen to what he described as his "favourite place".</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">Lets hope a solution
can be found but, like others, I have no idea how to start this process.</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">By chance,The Blomidon
Naturalist Society is organizing a walk through the woods on Saturday June 5th
meeting at the parking lot of the Evergreen Home, 655 Park Street at
8am.</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">The walk will provide a
chance for interested people to see what is at stake.</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 21px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 18px 'Times New Roman'">Bob Stevens</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On 2010-05-26, at 6:16 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Richard,
May 26, 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> The owner or owners of this woodland
area have kindly allowed the public to go there for many years and
it would be expected, in return, that the public should not
interfere with legal activity by the landowner. [I don't btw know any of the
landowners, other than by possible Surname].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> The best way to save this land for
public enjoyment would be to negotiate purchase with the owner and. of
course, pay as much as he/she could expect to earn by mining
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> The best way to protect such landscape
in general would be to diminish the huge demand for sand and gravel most of
which is for frivolous purposes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=sternrichard@gmail.com
href="mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com">Richard Stern</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
href="mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">NatureNS</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:37
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[NatureNS] Concern re: Palmeter
Woods</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Many of you will have sen references here to the area of
woodland in W.Kentville known unofficially as Palmeter Woods. It lies in
what used (?) to be the Kentville Federal Migratory Bird Sanctuary. There
are a number of walking trails, used by local hikers, dog-walkers,
X-country skiers and naturalists. There is a huge, ugly open sand pit to
the west, behind the property "Seven Bridges". As Andy Dean pointed out
the other day, there is currently some earth moving equipment digging up
the ground in 1 area in there, and the beautiful old oak tree that several
people designated one of NS's important trees in a recent survey, has had
a number of limbs chopped off to allow access.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>After a number of local
enquiries I have learned that they are testing the sand in there to see if
it is of enough commercial value to extract it (which would presumably
mean chopping down the woods and digging another huge sand pit if it is).
This is not within the Bird Sanctuary - it's on private land , and is
posted "Private Property". The public are presumably allowed to use the
area with their unwritten consent.<BR><BR>I have little experience with
dealing with this kind of issue, and furthermore I have a personal
conflict of interest in that I do not wish to get on the wrong side of the
land-owner, whom I know, for totally unrelated reasons. Also, I wouldn't
want the land-owner to prevent access to the area because he is annoyed
with environmentalists, but ..... is there any way for an
environmental group, or the public, or whoever, to monitor this, and is
there any way to preserve these woods and prevent them being turned into
an environmentally disastrous sand-pit?<BR><BR>Richard<BR>--<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>#################<BR>Richard
Stern,<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>317 Middle Dyke
Rd.<BR>Port Williams, NS, Canada<BR>B0P 1T0<BR><BR><A
href="mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com">sternrichard@gmail.com</A><BR>###################<BR>
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