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Hi All, Apr 3, 2010
A brief article in yesterday's Chr. Hrld. (Fisheries official: =
Headless seals were killed by sea ice, page A6) refers to an =
investigation of dead grey seals near Merigomish. A wide range in =
injuries, including decapitation, were concluded to have been caused by =
sea ice.
Yt, Dave Webster Kentville
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From: David Webster=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Dead Seal
Hi All, Apr 14, 2009
If most of these dead seals are beheaded, and I understand this to =
be the case, then one can confidently conclude that the mortality is =
from natural or accidental causes; i.e. ice or movement of a ship in ice =
as opposed to the swing of some man held cutting tool.
Seals in water will either be submerged or with the head just above =
the surface. And when thinning ice is breaking up in a high wind one can =
expect collisions between pans. Seals must breath at intervals so they =
must take their chances, pop up between pans and if their timing is =
wrong; kachunk.
On the other hand, the orientation of seals on ice will be much less =
regular (probably about 1/6 would be rotated such that a suitably =
positioned killer could lop off a head, assuming this could be done =
without a chopping block below it) and their lateral position relative =
to the killer would also not be regular (probably about 1/6 of those =
that had some body part within reach of a cutting tool and with suitable =
rotation would be positioned laterally such that the neck could be =
severed).
So roughly 35 out of 36 seals would be oriented and positioned such =
that some body part other than the neck would be more readily struck. =
And consequently one would expect nearly all of the fatal wounds to be =
to the large, exposed and vulnerable areas; rib cage or body spine =
because, when the seal was within striking distance, one or both of =
these large targets would almost always be oriented such that it could =
be hit.
These considerations are based on extensive inexperience with seals =
and sea ice.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
From: jen cooper=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Dead Seal
i have no offering of a method for the 'headlessness issue' but this =
is the 4th year (that i've been observing) in a row that headless seals =
wash up all around municipal cape breton. there seems to be 2 seal =
hunts, the one were all used to hearing about on the news each year and =
this second one where the pelts are not utilized and all seems to be for =
naught. literally hundreds of headless seals wash up on the shores of =
sydney harbour every year and it never seems to be investigated. i =
assume its fishermen but i'd love to know for sure.=20
jen cooper
> From: randy.lauff@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:02:23 -0300
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Dead Seal
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>=20
> And for those of you with stronger stomachs...
>=20
> I'm very curious about this headlessness issue. Is there any =
evidence
> to the method of beheading? Cut, chopped, crushed and torn asunder?
>=20
> Randy
>=20
> 2009/4/13 Richard Stern <sternrichard@gmail.com>:
> > There were at least 4 dead seals on Pond Cove Beach this w/e. All =
were
> > young, and headless - similar to those described on the CBC news =
at
> > Lawrencetown Beach this evening. They were providing a treat for =
the local
> > Turkey Vultures. I have no idea what killed them., but perhaps =
it's a
> > province-wide phenomenon.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Terri Crane =
<terri.crane@ns.sympatico.ca>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This year the outer edge of the Ice flow was pushed out of the =
Gulf and
> >> off Cape Breton earlier than usual and large volumes passed just =
off our
> >> shores heading southwest.
> >>
> >> I'd say that the early and large out flows of ice are responsible =
for this
> >> years further south than usual deposits of seal carcus'. I'm sure =
most of
> >> us along the north eastern shore don't mind sharing this =
early-mid spring
> >> abundance.
> >>
> >> In the next short while if you have a carcus on you beach don't =
let it get
> >> above the tide line. You'll be sure to have you're own smelly, =
oil
> >> producing, colony of decomposers that will last into mid summer =
(lots of
> >> experence). Even though the water is cold it seem to excelerate =
the decomp
> >> of the seals while keeping the smell in check (relatively =
speaking). An off
> >> shore wind on a falling tide can make it go away.
> >>
> >> Tom K.
> >> Canso
>=20
>=20
> Randy
> _________________________________
> RF Lauff
> Way in the boonies of
> Antigonish County, NS.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi All, =20
Apr 3, 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> A brief article in =
yesterday's Chr.=20
Hrld. (Fisheries official: Headless seals were killed by sea ice, page =
A6)=20
refers to an investigation of dead grey seals near Merigomish. A wide =
range in=20
injuries, including decapitation, were concluded to have been =
caused by sea=20
ice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Yt, Dave Webster Kentville</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddwebster@glinx.com href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">David =
Webster</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Dead Seal</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi All, =20
Apr 14, 2009</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> If most of these dead seals =
are=20
beheaded, and I understand this to be the case, then one can confidently =
conclude that the mortality is from natural or accidental causes; =
i.e. ice=20
or movement of a ship in ice as opposed to the swing of some man =
held=20
cutting tool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Seals in water will either be =
submerged=20
or with the head just above the surface. And when thinning ice is =
breaking=20
up in a high wind one can expect collisions between pans. Seals must =
breath at=20
intervals so they must take their chances, pop up between pans and if =
their=20
timing is wrong; kachunk.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> On the other hand, the =
orientation of=20
seals on ice will be much less regular (probably about 1/6 would be =
rotated such=20
that a suitably positioned killer could lop off a head, =
assuming this=20
could be done without a chopping block below it) and their lateral =
position=20
relative to the killer would also not be regular (probably about 1/6 of =
those=20
that had some body part within reach of a cutting tool=20
and with suitable rotation would be positioned laterally such =
that the=20
neck could be severed).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> So roughly 35 out of 36 seals =
would be=20
oriented and positioned such that some body part other than the =
neck would=20
be more readily struck. And consequently one would expect =
nearly=20
all</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>of the fatal wounds to be to the =
large, exposed=20
and vulnerable areas; rib cage or body spine because, when the seal was =
within=20
striking distance, one or both of these large targets would almost =
always be=20
oriented such that it could be hit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> These considerations are =
based on=20
extensive inexperience with seals and sea ice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Differcooper@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:iffercooper@hotmail.com">jen=20
cooper</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 14, 2009 =
3:41=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NatureNS] Dead =
Seal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>i have no offering of a method for the 'headlessness =
issue' but=20
this is the 4th year (that i've been observing) in a row that headless =
seals=20
wash up all around municipal cape breton. there seems to be 2 seal =
hunts, the=20
one were all used to hearing about on the news each year and this =
second one=20
where the pelts are not utilized and all seems to be for naught. =
literally=20
hundreds of headless seals wash up on the shores of sydney harbour =
every year=20
and it never seems to be investigated. i assume its fishermen but i'd =
love to=20
know for sure. <BR><BR>jen cooper<BR><BR>> From:=20
randy.lauff@gmail.com<BR>> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:02:23 =
-0300<BR>>=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Dead Seal<BR>> To: =
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR>>=20
<BR>> And for those of you with stronger stomachs...<BR>> =
<BR>> I'm=20
very curious about this headlessness issue. Is there any =
evidence<BR>> to=20
the method of beheading? Cut, chopped, crushed and torn =
asunder?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Randy<BR>> <BR>> 2009/4/13 Richard Stern=20
<sternrichard@gmail.com>:<BR>> > There were at least 4 =
dead seals=20
on Pond Cove Beach this w/e. All were<BR>> > young, and headless =
-=20
similar to those described on the CBC news at<BR>> > =
Lawrencetown Beach=20
this evening. They were providing a treat for the local<BR>> > =
Turkey=20
Vultures. I have no idea what killed them., but perhaps it's a<BR>> =
>=20
province-wide phenomenon.<BR>> ><BR>> > Richard<BR>>=20
><BR>> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Terri Crane=20
<terri.crane@ns.sympatico.ca><BR>> > wrote:<BR>>=20
>><BR>> >> This year the outer edge of the Ice flow was =
pushed=20
out of the Gulf and<BR>> >> off Cape Breton earlier than =
usual and=20
large volumes passed just off our<BR>> >> shores heading=20
southwest.<BR>> >><BR>> >> I'd say that the early =
and large=20
out flows of ice are responsible for this<BR>> >>=20
years further south than usual deposits of seal carcus'. I'm=20
sure most of<BR>> >> us along the north=20
eastern shore don't mind sharing this early-mid =
spring<BR>>=20
>> abundance.<BR>> >><BR>> >> In the next =
short while=20
if you have a carcus on you beach don't let it get<BR>> >> =
above the=20
tide line. You'll be sure to have you're own smelly, oil<BR>> =
>>=20
producing, colony of decomposers that will last into mid summer (lots=20
of<BR>> >> experence). Even though the water is cold it seem =
to=20
excelerate the decomp<BR>> >> of the seals while keeping the =
smell in=20
check (relatively speaking). An off<BR>> >> shore =
wind on a=20
falling tide can make it go away.<BR>> >><BR>> =
>> Tom=20
K.<BR>> >> Canso<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Randy<BR>>=20
_________________________________<BR>> RF Lauff<BR>> Way in the =
boonies=20
of<BR>> Antigonish County, NS.<BR><BR>
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