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--Boundary_(ID_cfwRQe0wZZMkc7XjsmU0HQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The trouble with a name like "Peters Island", is that we can't know, =20 if a possessive is called for, whether the name was Peter or Peters, =20 thus the possessives would be Peter's or Peters'. Problems, =20 problems! Thus there are lots and lots of little heritage mysteries =20 out there to be solved! Most of us would rather go hunting for birds =20= or bugs or flowers etc., eh? Cheers from Jim in Wolfville. Begin forwarded message: > From: John Sollows <nhungjohn@ns.sympatico.ca> > Date: July 10, 2008 11:52:30 AM ADT > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Peter or Peters Island > Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > > To: All > > From: John Sollows > > date: July 11/08 > > Let me add my support to what Dave has said. Several times in my =20 > life, I have seen locations re-named apparently by whomever said =20 > what was to be painted on a road sign. We locals certainly weren't =20= > consulted, and locals generally know best what the name should be! > > Could the answer be in the Freeport Archives?? > > Dave, > I agree with you. The authority (probably actually a low-level =20 > clerk or draftsman) sometimes assigns a name not even used by =20 > locals. There also is a phobia against possessives in place =20 > names. That may be what is behind the desire to use Peter instead =20 > of Peters (or really Peter's). Who knows: maybe they think that =20 > they are making a smaller carbon footprint by saving on ink. > They generally will not use an apostrophe where it is appropriate. =20= > Now Peter's Island sounds to me like a possessive: the island must =20 > have belonged to someone named Peter, or perhaps it was discovered =20 > by him, or he was shipwrecked on it, &c. There should be an =20 > apostrophe in there, at least in the English language as =20 > ordinarily used. > > Maybe it's early in the morning, or maybe I am just an overly =20 > sensitive English-speaker. (Note that I am an "English-speaker", =20 > and I will feel strongly motivated to punch out anyone who calls me =20= > an "anglophone".) > > =97Paul > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Dave/Sharon wrote: > >> As a Brier Island resident, born here over 60 years ago this is my =20= >> slant on this topic: I beleive all the long time residents of =20 >> Westport & Freeport call Peters Island, Peters Island. This is the =20= >> traditional name used when this island is refered to. Why should =20 >> an outside, so called authority, give the island another name or =20 >> have the authority to do so? It would be like calling Halifax, =20 >> Halifix. What a riot that would cause. I think the maping people & =20= >> the Gazetter of Canada should amend the name they have given =20 >> Peters Island. >> Next!! >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Christopher Majka >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Peter or Peters Island >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> The Gazetter of Canada for Nova Scotia calls it Peter Island. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> On 9-Jul-08, at 11:46 PM, Andy Moir/Chris Callaghan wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know the official name of the island between Brier =20 >>> Island and Long Island. The Nova Scotia map says Peter Island. =20 >>> The Lighthouse Society website says Peter Island. Many locals =20 >>> call it Peters Island (Peters is a long standing Islands name). =20 >>> I need to use the name in an interpretive panel, and I'd like to =20 >>> get it right. >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >> >> Christopher Majka >> Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada =20= >> B3H 3A6 >> c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca >> >> >> >> > > --Boundary_(ID_cfwRQe0wZZMkc7XjsmU0HQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> The trouble with a name like "Peters Island", is that we can't know, if = a possessive is called for, whether the name was Peter or Peters, thus = the possessives would be Peter's or Peters'. =A0Problems, problems! = =A0Thus there are lots and lots of little heritage mysteries out there = to be solved! =A0Most of us would rather go hunting for birds or bugs or = flowers etc., eh?=A0<div><br></div><div>=A0Cheers from Jim in = Wolfville.<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: = </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">John Sollows <<a = href=3D"mailto:nhungjohn@ns.sympatico.ca">nhungjohn@ns.sympatico.ca</a>></= font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">July 10, 2008 11:52:30 AM = ADT</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>= </div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [NatureNS] Peter or Peters = Island</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>= </div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">To:=A0 All</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">From:=A0 = John Sollows</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">date:=A0 = July 11/08</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Let me = add my support to what Dave has said.=A0 Several times in my life, I = have seen locations re-named apparently by whomever said what was to be = painted on a road sign.=A0 We locals certainly weren't consulted, and = locals generally know best what the name should = be!</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Could = the answer be in the Freeport Archives??</font></div><div><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><br></div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; = border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; = border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; ">Dave,<div>I agree with = you. =A0The authority (probably actually a low-level clerk or draftsman) = sometimes assigns a name not even used by locals. =A0There also is a = phobia against possessives in place names. =A0That may be what is behind = the desire to use Peter instead of Peters (or really Peter's). =A0Who = knows: maybe they think that they are making a smaller carbon footprint = by saving on ink.</div><div>They generally will not use an apostrophe = where it is appropriate. =A0Now Peter's Island sounds to me like a = possessive: the island must have belonged to someone named Peter, or = perhaps it was discovered by him, or he was shipwrecked on it, &c. = =A0There should be an apostrophe in there, <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>at least in the English = language as ordinarily used.</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br></div><div>Maybe it's early in the morning, or = maybe I am just an overly sensitive English-speaker. =A0(Note that I am = an "English-speaker", and I will feel strongly motivated to punch out = anyone who calls me=A0an "anglophone".)</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br></div><div>=97Paul</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><br><div><div>On = Jul 10, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Dave/Sharon wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 14px/normal Times; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, = 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">As a Brier Island resident, born here over 60 years ago this = is my slant on this topic: I beleive all the long time=A0residents of = Westport & Freeport call Peters Island, Peters Island. This is the = traditional name used when this island is refered to. Why should an = outside, so called authority, give the island another name or have the = authority to do so?=A0 It would be like calling Halifax, Halifix. What a = riot that would cause. I think the maping people & the Gazetter of = Canada should amend the name they have given Peters=A0 = Island.</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Next!!</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Dave</font></div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; = border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; = border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: = normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message = -----</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; = background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; = -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><b>From:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span><a = title=3D"c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca" = href=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">Christopher Majka</a></div><div = style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span><a = title=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></div><= div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; = "><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>Thursday, = July 10, 2008 1:11 AM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal = 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>Re: [NatureNS] Peter or Peters = Island</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><br></div>Hi Andy,<div><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br></div><div>The Gazetter of Canada for Nova Scotia = calls it Peter Island.</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><br><div><div>On = 9-Jul-08, at 11:46 PM, Andy Moir/Chris Callaghan wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 14px/normal 'Times New Roman'; text-transform: none; = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: = 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div = bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Does anyone = know the official name of the island between Brier Island and Long = Island.=A0 The Nova Scotia map says Peter Island.=A0 The Lighthouse = Society website says Peter Island.=A0 Many locals call it Peters Island = (Peters is a long standing Islands name).=A0 I need to use the name in = an interpretive panel, and I'd like to get it = right.</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Thanks,</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Andy</font></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal = Helvetica; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; = white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate; = orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Christopher = Majka</div><div>Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova = Scotia, Canada=A0 B3H 3A6</div><div><a = href=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca</a></div><= div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"></font><br class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><br></div></blockquote></= div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></blockqu= ote></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></body></= html>= --Boundary_(ID_cfwRQe0wZZMkc7XjsmU0HQ)--
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