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Index of Subjects --Boundary_(ID_ULpSwHg9fzEFJsmpRgflIA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roland, Yes, but did you do the same recipe without lunar synchronization, to =20= see what would happen then? That would be the test. What you may be showing is merely that the pickle takes two weeks to =20 rise. For a reasonable theory, you need not only apparent correlation, but =20 some sort of theoretically plausible causal explanation. A pickle in =20= an acid bath is not a model comparable in either scale or chemistry to =20= the oceans. About one thing you are perfectly right: I have never made sauerkraut, =20= though I have consumed my share. If I had the time, I would start a =20 few batches, maybe one every three days over a month, and chart the =20 progress of every batch. Maybe some student should do that as a neat =20= science project. The batches should be number-coded, and the person who makes the daily =20= observations should not know which one was started on which date. =20 That would limit observer-bias. =97 Paul On Jun 8, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Roland McCormick wrote: > Hello Paul - > You may not believe it happens, but we always made krout when I =20 > was a teen ager, and I have seen the pickle rise and fall =20 > consistently year after year the same way with the moon. What I see =20= > I have to believe and can only assume that you have never had any =20 > experience working in this medium. > > Roland. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Boyer" = <psboyer@eastlink.ca=20 > > > To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] phases of the moon > > >> This is folk-magic. It is pretty neat folklore (the bit about the =20= >> pickle rising as the moon waxes is a nice parallelism), but it is =20 >> pure superstition. Ask yourself, how in the world the moon can =20 >> effect the chemistry of what is going on in your picked kraut. =20 >> There is the vacuum of space between your mixture and the moon! >> >> On Jun 7, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Roland McCormick wrote: >> >>> Another place where the moon enters in to the farming picture is =20 >>> in the making of saur krout. The cabbage is cut up and placed in =20= >>> a barrel, salted, and then pounded. This should be done on the =20 >>> new moon, and as the moon gets larger the pickle rises on the =20 >>> krout until at the full moon the krout is swimming in pickle. =20 >>> After the full moon it disappears, then rises again as the moon =20 >>> increases in size. I presume that the process is the same as the =20= >>> reason the moon influences the tides. >>> What I never understood is why, after you had let the krout go =20= >>> through this process for a couple of months you could put the =20 >>> barrel outdoors and let the krout freeze, and the pickle would =20 >>> never rise again. >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Alison Webster" = <dwebster@glinx.com >>> > >>> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] phases of the moon >>> --Boundary_(ID_ULpSwHg9fzEFJsmpRgflIA) Content-type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi = Roland,<div><br></div><div>Yes, but did you do the same recipe = <i>without</i> lunar synchronization, to see what would happen then? = That would be the test.</div><div><br></div><div>What you may be = showing is merely that the pickle takes two weeks to = rise.</div><div><br></div><div>For a reasonable theory, you need not = only apparent correlation, but some sort of theoretically plausible = causal explanation. A pickle in an acid bath is not a model = comparable in either scale or chemistry to the = oceans.</div><div><br></div><div>About one thing you are perfectly = right: I have never made sauerkraut, though I have consumed my share. = If I had the time, I would start a few batches, maybe one every = three days over a month, and chart the progress of every batch. = Maybe some student should do that as a neat science = project.</div><div><br></div><div>The batches should be number-coded, = and the person who makes the daily observations should not know which = one was started on which date. That would limit = observer-bias.</div><div><br></div><div>=97 = Paul<br><div><br><div><div>On Jun 8, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Roland McCormick = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>Hello Paul -<br> You may not = believe it happens, but we always made krout when I was a teen ager, and = I have seen the pickle rise and fall consistently year after year the = same way with the moon. What I see I have to believe and can only assume = that you have never had any experience working in this = medium.<br><br>Roland.<br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. = Boyer" <<a = href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca">psboyer@eastlink.ca</a>><br>To: = <<a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br>Se= nt: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:21 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] phases = of the moon<br><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">This is folk-magic. = It is pretty neat folklore (the bit about the pickle rising = as the moon waxes is a nice parallelism), but it is pure superstition. = Ask yourself, how in the world the moon can effect the chemistry = of what is going on in your picked kraut. There is the = vacuum of space between your mixture and the = moon!<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 7, 2008, = at 8:22 PM, Roland McCormick wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Another place where the moon enters in to the farming = picture is in the making of saur krout. The cabbage is cut up and = placed in a barrel, salted, and then pounded. This should be = done on the new moon, and as the moon gets larger the pickle rises = on the krout until at the full moon the krout is swimming in = pickle. After the full moon it disappears, then rises again as the = moon increases in size. I presume that the process is the same as = the reason the moon influences the = tides.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"> What I never understood is why, after = you had let the krout go through this process for a couple of months you = could put the barrel outdoors and let the krout freeze, and the pickle = would never rise again.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Roland<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">----- Original Message ----- = From: "David & Alison Webster" <<a = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</a><br></blockquote>= </blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <<a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br></= blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:19 = PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] phases of the = moon<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><= /div></div></body></html>= --Boundary_(ID_ULpSwHg9fzEFJsmpRgflIA)--
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