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i may have read this wrong but to say the moon does not affect the tides. we watch for the full and new moons to get our best tides to go out the farthrerest to get to the clams.
now the tide at or near dawn will go out lots farther .
than a low tide in the afternoon the sun kill it as the oldtimers say.
a little common sense goes a long ways.
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From: Roland McCormick
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] when to plant
Iy would seem Paul that you not only have not had any experience working in agriculture, but that you have never watched the fundy tides. Someone remarked that they visited Bear River when the tides were out and they knew why it was called Bare River. When the tide was in the water would rise to make a good lake for boating and swimming. I believe in some areas the tide will rise on the full moon to as much as forty feet - at the new moon it is much less than that, but slowly increases in distance as the moon increases.
What I have seen happen has to be believed, even if some can't believe it.
Roland.
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From: Paul S. Boyer
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] when to plant
Folks, this is magic and superstition. The moon doesn't effect plants in the way described.
As for the effect of the moon on human behavior, it sounds so plausible. The trouble is that people who actually keep the statistics report no significant correlation between phase of the moon and crime. It's another urban myth: a modern superstition. Day of the week makes more difference by far, because when people are off work, they tend to get into trouble.
The National Geographic is just wrong about this. You can't believe all that they publish. The prevalence of websites promoting such ideas just shows that modern people are just a gullible as people of the past.
The tidal effect of the moon is so miniscule that until recent years it was undetectable in the laboratory. On land, the tides raise the surface of the earth about one meter from high to low tide. You can detect the change in gravitational attraction caused by this deformation, which moves you about one meter farther from the center of the Earth (that is one meter out of a radius of about 6,370,000 meters!) using a gravimeter; but the actual tidal force is so tiny that you cannot so measure it.
The attempt to use phase of moon as an explanation for things such as plant growth is pure superstition. It is at attempt to give a scientific-sounding basis to ancient astrological ideas.
On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Joan Czapalay wrote:
My grandparents ( both the maternal- Puritan ones and the paternal Irish ones and Lunenburg German ones) planted by the moon. The plants growing up above the ground were best planted as the moon waxed in late May/early June, and the ones growing below the ground were best planted as the moon waned.
Bartenders, schoolteachers, emergency room workers and the police know that the moon influences a lot of things, including human behavior. National Geographic News had an article on moon gardening July10th, 2003. This quote may be helpful:
Harris gives the example that the best time to turn over a garden is during the last quarter of the moon because that is when the water table has dropped to its lowest point. "It means less moisture is within the soil. It is far easier to turn soil over when there is less moisture in it," he said.
*Moon Boom*
Seeking to preserve knowledge about moon-gardening techniques before they were eclipsed entirely by modern gardening practices, Harris wrote /RJ Harris' Moon Gardening/ with the help of journalist Will Summers.
But since the book's September 2002 publication, Harris said he learned he need not have worried.
Harris says he has heard from people in New Zealand, Austria, Germany, and the United States who use the lunar cycle as a guide for their gardening chores. And the Internet is sprouting with Web sites dedicated to the practice.
On her Web site Gardening by the Moon.com (www.gardeningbythemoon.com), Caren Catterall writes, "Plants respond to the same gravitational pull of tides that affect the oceans, which alternately stimulates root and leaf growth. Seeds sprout more quickly, plants grow vigorously and at an optimum rate, harvests are larger and they don't go to seed as fast."
PS: Many questions asked on naturens can be answered by using great search engines like Google and YouTube. However, it is fun to share personal observations and experiences. Cheers, Joan
David&Jane Schlosberg wrote:
One more thought about planting times: I feel that later plantings tend to catch up with earlier ones, even if the earlier ones are not harmed by extremely cold nights. For example, if I plant beans and they come up when it's still cool, then I plant more 10 days later, I get mature beans only 2-3 days earlier from the early planting. The same seems true for peas. The early-planted ones will yield a bit earlier, but the difference is very slight.
Jane
p.s. Is there a listserve or other web-based discussion group for gardening that is specific to our climate?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i may have read this wrong but to say the moon does
not affect the tides. we watch for the full and new moons to
get our best tides to go out the farthrerest to get to the clams.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> now the tide at or near dawn
will go out lots farther .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> than a low tide in the afternoon the sun
kill it as the oldtimers say.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> a little common sense goes a
long ways.</F