[NatureNS] Crows: the shock and the grief (?)

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Helpful reading on this subject from Temple Grandin, assistant professor of
animal science at Colorado State University:
http://www.grandin.com/references/thinking.animals.html
and
 http://www.grandin.com/inc/animals.in.translation.ch3.html/.




On 11/11/07, Andy Dean <aadean@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> The experience with the crows brings to mind this incident that occured
> when
> I lived in Port Joli in 2005 and may add credibility to Peter's final
> paragraph :
> "It's dangerous to extend our own emotional experience to that of other
> creatures, especially animals so far removed from us in the evolutionary
> tree, but it's hard to believe that they didn't experience some sort of
> unusual sensation on seeing one of their own kind die so dramatically.
> They
> certainly reacted to the event with some interest.
>
> From my journal July 13 [unlucky 13th? ] 2005......Andy Dean
> Shortly  after I left the house for my early morning walk I came across a
> squirrel in the middle of our rural road chattering and scolding at what I
> thought was another squirrel....Then I realized the other form was inert
> and
> must have been struck and killed by a car. I presumed it was either a mate
> or sibling because the poor squirrel was beside itself and made frequent
> attempts to get it to respond , It would grab it and shake it then sit
> back
> and chatter at it, then shake it again ,and when I approached very closely
> made no attempt to leave....in fact it seemed to be asking me to do
> something to help. Even when a car drove by within inches it stayed beside
> the body . The only thing I could think to do was remove the body from the
> road and lay it in the grass to prevent it being run over again. I was
> surprised at the emotion it evoked as squirrels are not my favorite animal
> being such a nuisance at the bird-feeders, but I can tell you I felt
> pretty
> upset when I left it to cope by itself.
>
> Andy & Lelia Dean
> 86 Baden Powell Drive
> Kentville, NS. Canada. B4N 5P5
> Tel: [902] 678-6243
>
> aadean@ns.sympatico.ca
>
>

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<div>Helpful reading on this subject&nbsp;from Temple Grandin, assistant professor of animal science at Colorado State University: </div>
<div>http://www.grandin.com/references/thinking.animals.html&nbsp;</div>
<div>and</div>
<div>&nbsp;http://www.grandin.com/inc/animals.in.translation.ch3.html/. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Andy Dean</b> &lt;aadean@ns.sympatico.ca&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">The experience with the crows brings to mind this incident that occured when<br>I lived in Port Joli in 2005 and may add credibility to Peter&#39;s final
<br>paragraph :<br>&quot;It&#39;s dangerous to extend our own emotional experience to that of other<br>creatures, especially animals so far removed from us in the evolutionary<br>tree, but it&#39;s hard to believe that they didn&#39;t experience some sort of
<br>unusual sensation on seeing one of their own kind die so dramatically. They<br>certainly reacted to the event with some interest.<br><br>From my journal July 13 [unlucky 13th? ] 2005......Andy Dean<br>Shortly&nbsp;&nbsp;after I left the house for my early morning walk I came across a
<br>squirrel in the middle of our rural road chattering and scolding at what I<br>thought was another squirrel....Then I realized the other form was inert and<br>must have been struck and killed by a car. I presumed it was either a mate
<br>or sibling because the poor squirrel was beside itself and made frequent<br>attempts to get it to respond , It would grab it and shake it then sit back<br>and chatter at it, then shake it again ,and when I approached very closely
<br>made no attempt to leave....in fact it seemed to be asking me to do<br>something to help. Even when a car drove by within inches it stayed beside<br>the body . The only thing I could think to do was remove the body from the
<br>road and lay it in the grass to prevent it being run over again. I was<br>surprised at the emotion it evoked as squirrels are not my favorite animal<br>being such a nuisance at the bird-feeders, but I can tell you I felt pretty
<br>upset when I left it to cope by itself.<br><br>Andy &amp; Lelia Dean<br>86 Baden Powell Drive<br>Kentville, NS. Canada. B4N 5P5<br>Tel: [902] 678-6243<br><br><a href="mailto:aadean@ns.sympatico.ca">aadean@ns.sympatico.ca
</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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