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Index of Subjects --Apple-Mail-54--940753993 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Jim, Scott & Scott's (1988) Atlantic Fishes of Canada says that kyack (or kiack or kyak) can refer to either the Blueback Herring (Alosa aestivalis) or else the Alewife/Gaspereau (Alosa pseudoharengus). There are a number of other common names: Blueback Herring - blueback, blueback mulhaden, river herring, glut herring, summer herring, black belly Gaspereau - alewife, sawbelly, spreau, river herring, glut herring So, there are a plethora of choices, and common names don't always distinguish between the two since, as you point out, the two species are very similar. All the best! Chris On 15-May-07, at 1:48 AM, Jim Wolford wrote: > Yes, alewife is probably the better and more widely recognized > common name, > but for only one of the two types of freshwater herring (shad is > the 3rd > type), namely alewife and blueback herring -- all three are species > of the > genus Alosa, I believe. Perhaps "kiack" refers collectively to both > alewives/gaspereaux and blueback herring -- these two species are > superficially very similar in appearance. Cheers from Jim > ---------- > From: Roland McCormick <roland.mccormick@ns.sympatico.ca> > Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:36:04 -0300 > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] re gaspereau and ospreys, was Barrington River > > I went back again Sunday afternoon and saw an osprey with a fish, > and today > I noticed there were a number of men dip- netting. > Gaspereau is the French name for the fish, Kiack is the Indian name I > believe. I am not certain that Gaspereau is the best name to use - > I believe > there are two kinds of fish included in the school of fish - the > English > Alewives and a type of herring. The natives in this area have > always used > the name "Kiack", and I believe that is also true of the people in the > Yarmouth area. > > Roland. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca> > To: "NatureNS" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: [NatureNS] re gaspereau and ospreys, was Barrington River _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. _. Christopher Majka - Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History 1747 Summer Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3H 3A6 (902) 424-6435 Email <c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. _. --Apple-Mail-54--940753993 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Jim,<DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span">Scott & Scott's (1988) Atlantic Fishes of = Canada=A0 says that kyack (or kiack or kyak) can refer to either the = Blueback Herring (<I>Alosa aestivalis</I>) or else the Alewife/Gaspereau = (<I>Alosa pseudoharengus</I>). There are a number of other common = names:</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Blueback Herring - = blueback, blueback mulhaden, river herring, glut herring, summer = herring, black belly</DIV><DIV>Gaspereau - alewife, sawbelly, = spreau,=A0river herring, glut herring</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So, there are a plethora of = choices, and common names don't always distinguish between the two = since, as you point out, the two species are very similar.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>All the best!</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Chris<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On = 15-May-07, at 1:48 AM, Jim Wolford wrote:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Yes, alewife is probably the better and more widely = recognized common name,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but for only = one of the two types of freshwater herring (shad is the 3rd</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">type), namely alewife and blueback herring -- all = three are species of the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">genus Alosa, = I believe.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Perhaps = "kiack" refers collectively to both</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">alewives/gaspereaux and blueback herring -- these two species = are</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">superficially very similar in = appearance.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Cheers from = Jim</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----------</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">From: Roland McCormick <<A = href=3D"mailto:roland.mccormick@ns.sympatico.ca">roland.mccormick@ns.sympa= tico.ca</A>></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Reply-To: <A = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A></DIV><= DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:36:04 -0300</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: <A = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A></DIV><= DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] re gaspereau and ospreys, = was Barrington River</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I went back again Sunday = afternoon and saw an osprey with a fish, and today</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">I noticed there were a number of men dip- = netting.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gaspereau is the French name for = the fish, Kiack is the Indian name I</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">believe. I am = not certain that Gaspereau is the best name to use - I believe</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">there are two kinds of fish included in the school = of fish - the English</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Alewives and<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>a type of herring.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>The natives in this area have = always used</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the name "Kiack", and I believe = that is also true of the people in the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Yarmouth = area.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Roland.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- = Original Message -----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: "Jim Wolford" <<A = href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</A>></DIV= ><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: "NatureNS" <<A = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>></D= IV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:59 PM</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: [NatureNS] re gaspereau and ospreys, was = Barrington River</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <P style=3D"margin: = 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Times" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: = 12.0px = Times">_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._= ._._._.</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT = face=3D"Times" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Times">Christopher Majka = - Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: = 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Times" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: = 12.0px Times">1747 Summer Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>B3H 3A6</FONT></P> <P = style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Times" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Times">(902) 424-6435 <SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Email <<A = href=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca</A>></F= ONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Times"= size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Times">_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._= ._._._.</FONT></P> </DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>= --Apple-Mail-54--940753993--
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