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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:01:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marilyn MacDonald <ar403@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: CCN Board of Directors <ccn-board@chebucto.ns.ca>
cc: Christopher Majka <nextug@is.dal.ca>, CCN Editors <editors@chebucto.ns.ca>
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Mark and others: My intent was to suggest that this be an "item for
action" to be discussed at the May 15  meeting. Okay?  mm


On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Mark Ronald Rushton wrote:

> 
> 
> I did not intend to ignite yet another tit-for-tat.  There are valid
> aspecs on both sides, which should be raised in a structured and larger
> debate.
> 
> A few more comments from the peanut gallery, and then let us please deal
> with this in the various sub-cttee meetings (Can we arrange an EDITORS
> gathering sometime, please?)
> 
> My final thoughts on the matter below:
> 
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Andrew D. Wright wrote:
> > 	Since there is no way known to either me or the techs in the
> > office to produce these numbers, and a number of issues surrounding
> 
> Precisely one of my issues.  Our tracking mechanisms are.... ?
> 
> > still listed on Chebucto's pages as a site and will no doubt remain there
> > until someone from HRL notices and tells us to remove it, just like PLENS
> > did with their pages. 
> 
> Which is no way to run an online community.  Talk about a "hands-off"
> operation!
> 
> > 	The problem is not with the way things are done now - we have
> > contact with organizations directly and they know we exist and host their
> > pages 
> 
> Well, the _office_ has contact with these organizations directly, and that
> is not the same as contact between the organizations and those CCN persons
> responsible for the online index, etc.  Who monitors the "IPs" for
> appropriateness of content?  Are we only able to deal passively with them,
> i.e, wait for complaints about problems, or requests to remove sites?
> Apparently so!
> 
> >- but with the old way, where our contact was with the web editor
> > only and there was nothing in the way of a feedback loop between us and
> > the organization. They had no reason to contact us (no renewals, etc.) so
> 
> Well, frankly, part of the reason they didn't contact us and for the lack
> of organizational contact was exactly that point; IPs were not invoiced.
> Not to be critical, but I have run into one IP who has had difficulty
> obtaining an invoice (required by the organization before bills can be
> paid) and I have two IPs that had to repeatedly request invoices.  Is this
> part of our office procedure now sufficiently responsive?
> 
> > 	Our role here is not to perpetuate our own labyrinthal bureaucracy
> > but to facilitate the participation of groups in the electronic public
> > space. Making things easier and clearer for them is the way to do that.
> 
> "participation" is an interesting term.  I would suggest that currently
> CCN is far from "participatory" in terms of the active engagement between
> IPs, members / users, and the organization.  I see this as a vital
> component of our much-needed revitalization efforts.
> 
> > 	Now, this will come before the Board and if you are interested in
> > participating in the discussion, you can be invited to the meeting. BTW
> > I'm now in the middle of some in-office IP tutoring. 
> 
> Andrew, given that (as you stated at the AGM), you frequently are unable
> to keep up with the piles of phone messages at the office, why are you
> undertaking "in-office IP tutoring".  Should this not be relegated to
> another person / body with the organization?  Is this one of the
> implications of the fact we no longer provide IP training?
> 
> Marilyn:  Rather than have this come up as "an agenda item" which we would
> then plan time to discuss at another future date, can we make a
> stock-taking of our current situation one of the activities at the board
> meeting?  I would like to see us move into this "new era" with an
> orientation to action!
> 
> Mark.
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Mark Rushton
> Community Support & Development Editor
> Chebucto Community Network (CCN)
> http://chebucto.ns.ca/~Mark/
> --------------------------------------
> 

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