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Index of Subjects Mark and others: My intent was to suggest that this be an "item for action" to be discussed at the May 15 meeting. Okay? mm On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Mark Ronald Rushton wrote: > > > I did not intend to ignite yet another tit-for-tat. There are valid > aspecs on both sides, which should be raised in a structured and larger > debate. > > A few more comments from the peanut gallery, and then let us please deal > with this in the various sub-cttee meetings (Can we arrange an EDITORS > gathering sometime, please?) > > My final thoughts on the matter below: > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Andrew D. Wright wrote: > > Since there is no way known to either me or the techs in the > > office to produce these numbers, and a number of issues surrounding > > Precisely one of my issues. Our tracking mechanisms are.... ? > > > still listed on Chebucto's pages as a site and will no doubt remain there > > until someone from HRL notices and tells us to remove it, just like PLENS > > did with their pages. > > Which is no way to run an online community. Talk about a "hands-off" > operation! > > > The problem is not with the way things are done now - we have > > contact with organizations directly and they know we exist and host their > > pages > > Well, the _office_ has contact with these organizations directly, and that > is not the same as contact between the organizations and those CCN persons > responsible for the online index, etc. Who monitors the "IPs" for > appropriateness of content? Are we only able to deal passively with them, > i.e, wait for complaints about problems, or requests to remove sites? > Apparently so! > > >- but with the old way, where our contact was with the web editor > > only and there was nothing in the way of a feedback loop between us and > > the organization. They had no reason to contact us (no renewals, etc.) so > > Well, frankly, part of the reason they didn't contact us and for the lack > of organizational contact was exactly that point; IPs were not invoiced. > Not to be critical, but I have run into one IP who has had difficulty > obtaining an invoice (required by the organization before bills can be > paid) and I have two IPs that had to repeatedly request invoices. Is this > part of our office procedure now sufficiently responsive? > > > Our role here is not to perpetuate our own labyrinthal bureaucracy > > but to facilitate the participation of groups in the electronic public > > space. Making things easier and clearer for them is the way to do that. > > "participation" is an interesting term. I would suggest that currently > CCN is far from "participatory" in terms of the active engagement between > IPs, members / users, and the organization. I see this as a vital > component of our much-needed revitalization efforts. > > > Now, this will come before the Board and if you are interested in > > participating in the discussion, you can be invited to the meeting. BTW > > I'm now in the middle of some in-office IP tutoring. > > Andrew, given that (as you stated at the AGM), you frequently are unable > to keep up with the piles of phone messages at the office, why are you > undertaking "in-office IP tutoring". Should this not be relegated to > another person / body with the organization? Is this one of the > implications of the fact we no longer provide IP training? > > Marilyn: Rather than have this come up as "an agenda item" which we would > then plan time to discuss at another future date, can we make a > stock-taking of our current situation one of the activities at the board > meeting? I would like to see us move into this "new era" with an > orientation to action! > > Mark. > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Rushton > Community Support & Development Editor > Chebucto Community Network (CCN) > http://chebucto.ns.ca/~Mark/ > -------------------------------------- >
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