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Index of Subjects Hi David and others RCS (not withstanding the groans from most of you :) is GREAT. But there is a BIG PROBLEM. In all the time that we have used RCS in the Chebucto Suite system, it has never proven to be of any value to any users EXCEPT for those who have shell accounts or developer privileges. Well I exaggerate - I have heard of an instance where someone actually took a copy of an RCS file and recreated the original file using the Pico editor. But we haven't ever created any interface to RCS for ordinary users that is of any value except as a very ugly, arcane, nearly useless version of a file's historical record. In my personal experience, I have almost never had any problems using RCS, but then I've been a user for so long that the system is used to me :-) But it has never been any benefit to me except in the development arena. So I agree STRONGLY with the complainers - it serves no useful purpose, it breaks when users try to do things behind its back, it wastes diskspace*, inodes, and cpu cycles. So let's get rid of it AS FAR AS the IP area is concerned. We can discuss separately on the ccn-tech list whether we should also remove RCS (and therefore also CVS) from the help and system areas (I think there are still pros and maybe con's there.) Issues that need to be addressed, off the top of my head (others can add items they know about) The editor script The install script The ftp daemon The auto-unzipper, if it's still running How will the above know what areas they should still use RCS for? Significant changes to documentation around editing process (long overdue anyway :) As far as whether there should be a substitute process to keep backup copies of files, I think that is a good question. One way that would work for text users would be to keep backup files (the ones with the appended ~) and purge them after say 24 hours. I think we do that anyway (unless it's broken, or at least we used to.) The ftp daemon could be configured to do likewise, although anyone who is used to uploading files by ftp would have no expectation that we would keep old copies onsite; therefore let's not. Just document it. Do we need to look at file locking for read contention with httpd and Lynx during upload? Ed Ed Dyer aa146@chebucto.ns.ca (902) H 826-7496 CCN Postmaster http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~aa146/ W 426-4894 CSuite Technical Workshop Religion Page Editor, Chebucto Community Network http://www.chebucto.ns.ca * I saw one IP site where the RCS files were 16 megabytes for a 4 megabyte website! On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, David L. Potter wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:12:29 -0300 (ADT) > From: "David L. Potter" <potter@chebucto.ns.ca> > To: Mike Cormier <aq421@chebucto.ns.ca>, > Edward Dyer <aa146@chebucto.ns.ca> > Cc: michael@csuite.ns.ca, "Andrew D. Wright" <adw@chebucto.ns.ca>, > editors@chebucto.ns.ca, ccn-tech@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: Scrapping RCS (fwd) > > > Hi Mike, > > I'd like to hear the views of Ed Dyer and and other interested editors > before we decide to pull the plug. > > I'd also like to review the possibility of a 'one day' back-up of the IP > directories that we could keep on-site. > > And finally, we should also give IP's and users a couple of days notice > before turning it off... > > david potter > > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Mike Cormier wrote: > > > Michael, David; > > Sharon is in agreement with me and Andrew, can we arrange to have > > RCS scrapped ASAP is it is now more problem than bother? > > Mike > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:09:35 -0300 > > From: sparker@chebucto.ns.ca > > To: "Michael J. Cormier" <mcormier@chebucto.ns.ca> > > Subject: Re: Scrapping RCS > > > > I think you should ask Michael Smith to do it, as David Potter seems to have > > agreed. I don't know enough about it to be able to form an opinion, but from a > > political point of view, I say let's do it, as it seems to be a good idea. > > > > Sharon > > > > Quoting "Michael J. Cormier" <mcormier@chebucto.ns.ca>: > > > > > Sharon; > > > What is the way to formally request that we drop the RCS system or > > > is The Editor in Chief and the Office wanting it removed enough? should > > > this be ran by the board? > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > This mail was sent through the Nova Scotia Provincial Server, > > with technical resources provided by Chebucto Community Net. > > http://nsaccess.ns.ca/mail/ http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/ > > >
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