[NatureNS] barn swallow questions

Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:58:05 +0000 (UTC)
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At my cousin's farm in Pictou county the doors to both the barn and the gra=
inery were left open for the swallows. One of my fondest memories from my v=
isits there is the swallows flying just over my head to get in and out. The=
y are such beautiful birds,and graceful in flight.Margaret FraserSydney

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Dear All,
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In the old beam, morticed and pin barns, which would las=
t forever if you kept rot out, it was common practice to keep the barn door=
s open until haying time. So Swallows had ample entry.=20
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YT, DW, Kentvile.
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Hi Andy,
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Historically, there were farmers who cut holes in their barn gables to prov=
ide access to the barn for Barn Swallows. I=E2=80=99ve seen photos of them =
as holes, semi circles and crosses. I=E2=80=99m sure they also provided a b=
it of venting of the barn.=20
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In Birds of Massachusetts and Other New England States (1929), Edward Howe =
Forbush wrote:
 If, when the Swallows arrive, they find the building closed in which they =
are accustomed to breed, they sometimes approach the house and fly about it=
, or about any inmate who appears, twittering and calling until someone tak=
es pity on them and opens a door or window, when they immediately enter, sh=
owing their gratification by happy excited twittering. Many farmers cut a s=
mall hole in a barn gable to accommodate the birds.
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They probably were not always needed as many barns or farm structures were =
not as weather tight as they are now or they had a door to the hay loft tha=
t stayed open.=20
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I=E2=80=99ll send a photo in a direct post but all the apertures appear to =
offer about 15-20cm access points.
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Cheers,
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Lance
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Lance Laviolette
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
On Behalf Of George Forsyth
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:24 PM
 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] barn swallow questions
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When I was a kid in Greenwich, Kings Co. there were barn swallows nesting i=
n all of the neighbours' barns and sheds. Our next door neighbour would lea=
ve her overhead sliding garage door lifted only a few inches and the swallo=
ws would swoop low over the driveway and enter the four to five inch openin=
g at the bottom of the door. I was always amazed at their ability, knowing =
that there was a car parked just inside the door!
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George Forsyth
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 08:43, Andy Moir <slickdog1@gmail.com> wrote:
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I have a couple of pairs of barn swallows nesting in my workshop. I'm=20
 happy to share the space with them.=C2=A0 Just means covering some work ar=
eas=20
 with plastic while they're nesting.
 A couple of questions:=C2=A0 Right now I'm leaving the workshop door open =
for=20
 them to come and go.=C2=A0 I'd prefer not to do that, especially during he=
avy=20
 rains and windy days.=C2=A0 (Also, I'd like to keep the door shut to keep=
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 cats away from the barn swallows).=C2=A0 What size hole would I have to cu=
t=20
 in the wall above the door so they can easily fly in and out when the=20
 door is shut?
 Secondly, do they feed during really windy conditions, such as what is=20
 predicted to be coming over the next 24 hours?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Or will they ju=
st stay=20
 inside and ride it out?
 Thanks for any help.
 Andy
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At my cousin's farm in Pictou county the doors to both the barn and the gra=
inery were left open for the swallows. One of my fondest memories from my v=
isits there is the swallows flying just over my head to get in and out. The=
y are such beautiful birds,and graceful in flight.<div id=3D"yMail_cursorEl=
ementTracker_1589245046534">Margaret Fraser</div><div id=3D"yMail_cursorEle=
mentTracker_1589245051767">Sydney<br><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature=
"><a id=3D"ymail_android_signature_link" href=3D"https://go.onelink.me/1078=
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oidUsers&amp;af_wl=3Dym&amp;af_sub1=3DInternal&amp;af_sub2=3DGlobal_YGrowth=
&amp;af_sub3=3DEmailSignature">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <b=
r> <blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Rob=
oto, sans-serif; color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 18:57, David =
Webster</div><div>&lt;dwebster@glinx.com&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <div style=
=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D0=
0F6;"> <div id=3D"yiv7279246285"><div>
    <p>Dear All,</p>
    <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In the old beam, morticed and pin barns, which wo=
uld last
      forever if you kept rot out, it was common practice to keep the
      barn doors open until haying time. So Swallows had ample entry. <br c=
lear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>YT, DW, Kentvile.<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"yiv7279246285yqt2769894430 yQTDBase" id=3D"yiv7279246285y=
qt27571"><div class=3D"yiv7279246285moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2020 12:31 PM,=
 Lance Laviolette
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
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        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Hi
            Andy,</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Historically,
            there were farmers who cut holes in their barn gables to
            provide access to the barn for Barn Swallows. I=E2=80=99ve seen
            photos of them as holes, semi circles and crosses. I=E2=80=99m =
sure
            they also provided a bit of venting of the barn. </span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">In
            <b>Birds of Massachusetts and Other New England States</b></spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
            (1929), Edward Howe Forbush wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
            If, when the Swallows arrive, they find the building closed
            in which they are accustomed to breed, they sometimes
            approach the house and fly about it, or about any inmate who
            appears, twittering and calling until someone takes pity on
            them and opens a door or window, when they immediately
            enter, showing their gratification by happy excited
            twittering. Many farmers cut a small hole in a barn gable to
            accommodate the birds.</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">They
            probably were not always needed as many barns or farm
            structures were not as weather tight as they are now or they
            had a door to the hay loft that stayed open. </span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99ll
            send a photo in a direct post but all the apertures appear
            to offer about 15-20cm access points.</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Cheers,</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Lance</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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;font-family:Old;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Lance
            Laviolette</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;">Glen
            Robertson, Ontario</span></p>=20
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;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
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          <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv7279246285moz-=
txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" targ=
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chebucto.ns.ca</a>
              [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv7279246285moz=
-txt-link-freetext" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens-o=
wner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>George
              Forsyth<br clear=3D"none">
              <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:24 PM<br clear=3D"none">
              <b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv727=
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] barn swallow questions</span><=
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        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal">When I was a kid in Greenwi=
ch, Kings
              Co. there were barn swallows nesting in all of the
              neighbours' barns and sheds. Our next door neighbour would
              leave her overhead sliding garage door lifted only a few
              inches and the swallows would swoop low over the driveway
              and enter the four to five inch opening at the bottom of
              the door. I was always amazed at their ability, knowing
              that there was a car parked just inside the door!</p>=20
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal">George Forsyth</p>=20
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        </div>
        <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal">On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 08:43=
, Andy Moir
              &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:slic=
kdog1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:slickdog1@gmail.com">slic=
kdog1@gmail.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:</p>=20
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          <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;=
padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;">
            <p class=3D"yiv7279246285MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt;">I have a
              couple of pairs of barn swallows nesting in my workshop.
              I'm <br clear=3D"none">
              happy to share the space with them.&nbsp; Just means covering
              some work areas <br clear=3D"none">
              with plastic while they're nesting.<br clear=3D"none">
              A couple of questions:&nbsp; Right now I'm leaving the worksh=
op
              door open for <br clear=3D"none">
              them to come and go.&nbsp; I'd prefer not to do that,
              especially during heavy <br clear=3D"none">
              rains and windy days.&nbsp; (Also, I'd like to keep the door
              shut to keep <br clear=3D"none">
              cats away from the barn swallows).&nbsp; What size hole would=
 I
              have to cut <br clear=3D"none">
              in the wall above the door so they can easily fly in and
              out when the <br clear=3D"none">
              door is shut?<br clear=3D"none">
              Secondly, do they feed during really windy conditions,
              such as what is <br clear=3D"none">
              predicted to be coming over the next 24 hours?&nbsp;&nbsp; Or=
 will
              they just stay <br clear=3D"none">
              inside and ride it out?<br clear=3D"none">
              Thanks for any help.<br clear=3D"none">
              Andy<br clear=3D"none">
              <br clear=3D"none">
              <br clear=3D"none">
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