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a crude indication. This failure to i --000000000000e3e5ed05a4284652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk and Jane: Multiply one solitary, probably harmless trip to a park or a trail by 40,000 or 100,000, and you can see why the Emergency Public Health Order prohibits it. Many, many Nova Scotians=E2=80=94not just virtuous birders=E2= =80=94would like to make such park visits. They are prohibited from doing so because, if they weren't prohibited, people would die. I want to heed John and Nhung's injunction to keep this discussion polite and respectful, but it just seems selfish to make an exception of one's own activities while other citizens are conscientiously observing an order public health experts deem necessary to prevent avoidable illness and death during the pandemic emergency. Incidentally, the number of Americans who have died from Covid-19 just surpassed the number of US combat deaths in WWII. Parker On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:32 PM Henk Kwindt <hjcbatl@gmail.com> wrote: > I am also with Dave on this. > It is not so that everybody has to stay home, as pointed out before. Ther= e > are numerous groups of people that the rule does not apply to. The one th= at > bugs me most is that they arranged planeloads of people to come > back from highlyi contagious areas and then depend on =E2=80=9Cself isola= tion=E2=80=9D > (except for the first load which was contained at CFB Trenton). > Leaving parks and trails open, especially for children and parents would > have been more beneficial than the negative possibilities. Can=E2=80=99t = imagine > that a family with a couple of young children in a small apartment in th= e > city would benefit from the present rules. > Henk Kwindt, Cow Bay, NS. > > On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:12 PM, David Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: > > Dear All and Shouty, > > That is a darn good question. How and when this can be done I do not > know but we need a better Premier. > > I wish to emphasize that failure to inform the public is my primary > concern. Some people, especially those in the food industry (Truckers, > Farmers, wholesalers and retail outlets), Power, Communication, Medical a= nd > Emergency related, have to keep working as usual. There frequently is mor= e > than one way to get from A to B and it only makes sense to keep the publi= c > informed of unusually high concentrations of active cases in the communit= y. > For effective management of this disease surely this information is > extracted. > > The finest breakdown I have seen is case count by region (Central, > Western, Eastern and Northern) with Community and Nursing Home numbers > pooled. Even at the region level why are the counts for Community and > Nursing Homes not segregated ? WHY ? > > Apologies in advance for getting beyond Natural History topics but a > barrier has been erected between members of Naturens and the world of > nature and it shows. > > YT, DW, Kentville > On 4/25/2020 7:35 PM, Shouty McShoutsalot wrote: > > All > We can=E2=80=99t stay on lockdown forever. The virus isn=E2=80=99t going= anywhere. > What=E2=80=99s the endgame? > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 6:12 PM David Schlosberg < > dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> I walked in parks before they were closed and I walk on the permitted >> trails. If the trails are made one way only, people are quite good abou= t >> keeping the 6 foot distance. Also, the parking lots can be kept closed = to >> prevent the =E2=80=9Chordes=E2=80=9D, and only allow the parks and trail= s that are >> reasonably open, where people bunching up can be easily seen. One guard= in >> a park like Miner=E2=80=99s Marsh can patrol and issue tickets=E2=80=94n= ot for $1000, but >> certainly for $100. That would be a sufficient deterrent. People can b= e >> scofflaws on city sidewalks just as easily. >> >> >> *From:* naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> *O= n >> Behalf Of *Don MacNeill >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2020 5:28 PM >> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> *Subject:* Re: Common sense and caution was Re: [NatureNS] Piping >> Plover, Red-necked Phalaropes and Killdeer >> >> >> It is not walking alone in Miners Marsh that is the problem David. If >> the restrictions were lifted there would be hordes of people looking for >> places like that to walk, making them problematical in keeping numbers f= rom >> being in close proximity. The walks there are also narrow. Why should a >> few take advantage of there being few people there when the rest of us f= eel >> we cannot? >> >> Don >> >> Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net >> >> On 4/25/2020 2:58 PM, David Webster wrote: >> >> Hi Peter. >> >> Please explain how walking alone in Miners Marsh, where there is >> ample room for social distancing, can endanger anyone. >> >> And by the way; at 85 I would not welcome getting Covid-19 nor do I >> imagine that I am immune. And to top it off, sidewalks, unless they are = one >> way, commonly do not permit a spacing of 6'. And which is preferable; >> walking on sidewalks to get exercise or walking alone or at a minimum >> distance of 6' in a park ? >> >> This all reminds me of the MSDS flaps. When I read the one for Boile= d >> Linseed oil I noticed that they had omitted the very real hazard of >> spontaneous combustion. When the revised version came out the directions >> were to immerse the material that has Boiled Linseed Oil in a metal can >> filled with water, secure the lid and store it outside; no kidding. >> >> And further, it is very bad manners to wish ill on someone who is >> simply on the side of common sense, rational caution and good health. >> Keeping people cooped up is not conducive to good mental health or good >> physical health. >> >> YT, DW, Kentville >> >> On 4/25/2020 12:26 PM, Parker Donham wrote: >> >> Nonsense! This virus is deadly for a few (especially for old people, a >> demographic that includes a lot of birders) and beyond unpleasant for th= ose >> who get seriously ill from it. Chris Cuomo, the CNN host who survived a >> serious bout described it as like taking two shots of Windex and eating = a >> lightbulb." >> >> >> Even if you imagine yourself to be immune from it, you are fully capable >> of endangering others by defying the Emergency Public Health Order. Peop= le >> can do this for days before they experience any symptoms themselves. I'm >> sorry you are inconvenienced by not being able to pursue a pastime we al= l >> love with your u