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because they're interesting, beautiful, challen This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01D525DD.D136D750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A really good question Richard. I would like to share a personal = experience about this. I was asked to attend the Earth Summit in 2002 in = South Africa as part of a delegation of artisanal fishing people, many = of whom earn about $1 US per day. One of the main themes of the summit = was the need for wealth alleviation. Given the limited, finite resources = of the planet, the situation of the poor could not be improved without a = massive transfer of wealth from the small percentage of people who = control most of the world=E2=80=99s resources to the large percentage of = people who have no control over or ability to use those resources. = Without such a re-balancing, we would see ever increasing deterioration = and depletion of our natural world as the poor struggled to survive or = improve their economic situation while the rich tried to increase their = wealth even further. Of course, this transfer of wealth never occurred = in the intervening 17 years, at least not to any extent to make a = significant difference, and we are now experiencing the predicted = result. The forces leading to the extinction of animals and plants are the same = forces leading to the extinction of indigenous cultures around the = world, to the continued impoverishment of unthinkable numbers of people, = and to a massive exodus of climate and economic refugees to places where = they have some chance of survival. It is not surprizing that the = populist movements we see in different parts of the world today are not = led by grassroots community organizers but by rich industrialists, = military generals, or political elites. They make promises to their = people to improve their economic well-being while their main purpose is = to stop the refugees, silence the poor, and obstruct efforts to reverse = climate change, knowing full well that climate improvement would = necessarily reverse the flow of wealth to them. Unfortunately, this is a = point of view that is difficult to accept, especially since it places = most of us on the wealth side of the equation. But also, unfortunately, = it is the answer that I would give to your friend in Brazil. John K. =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> On = Behalf Of Richard Stern Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 To: NatureNS <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bird Habitats =20 Preaching to the choir ......... I'm sure everyone in this and similar = groups already feel as I do, that habitat is vital to migratory birds = all along their migration route, and that I enjoy birds because they're = interesting, beautiful, challenging to ID and photograph, are harbingers = of environmental change, etc. etc., and that enjoying the great outdoors = is pleasurable to middle class people like myself. So how do you = justify/ explain their value in these terms to somebody whose livelihood = and that of their family depends on working in a pulp mill, or an open = pit mine, in NS, when there are no other jobs around, or engineering a = condo block on the Gulf Coast, or growing his meagre crop of wild rice = in Venezuela, etc. etc. - all of which are threats to the migratory = birds that nest here in NS? I ask this because I recently had a = conversation with someone who works in Brazil, and is a supporter of the = new president (who is a worse environmentalist than Trump), but who told = me that all his co-workers support him because he promises to improve = their standard of living, and the long term environment somewhere else = on the planet is not really relevant to their humdrum and poor quality = daily lives, --- and I couldn't think of any convincing answers. How do = others address this issue? =20 Richard =20 --=20 ################# Richard Stern,=20 Port Williams, NS, Canada sternrichard@gmail.com <mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com>=20 ################### ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01D525DD.D136D750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {mso-style-name:msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-CA link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A really good = question Richard. I would like to share a personal experience about = this. I was asked to attend the Earth Summit in 2002 in South Africa as = part of a delegation of artisanal fishing people, many of whom earn = about $1 US per day. One of the main themes of the summit was the need = for wealth alleviation. Given the limited, finite resources of the = planet, the situation of the poo