[NatureNS] fish id?

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I've seen several excellent photos of Banded Rudderfish taken in the strait
area this summer.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:11 PM pce <pce@accesswave.ca> wrote:

> There are some lovely videos of this little fish on YouTube, for example
> this one:
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOVFk_XXJMq8
>
> --- Peter Payzant
>
> On Oct 12, 2017, at 14:56, Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Billy and Jeannie for more information.
>
> I sent the extra information to my contact at DFO, who had to forward it
> to someone who spends time in CBI. Here is the response:
>
> Almost definitely *Dactylopterus volitans  -  * Flying Gurnard. These
> come up in the warmer water and then get trapped in bays and coves when t=
he
> water cools off.  They stay in the warmer water of the bay until it too
> gets too cold and then they wash up on beaches.  About 3 years ago there
> was a school of several hundred which washed up on Clam Harbour Beach. Th=
e
> same year there were also a few found on Janvrin Island next to Isle Mada=
me
> and Point Michaud Beach.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately for this little guy, I would say that his days are numbered=
.
>
>
>
> Bill MacEachern
>
>
> We have no representatives of this species, or family, in the collection
> at StFX. This, or any other weird fish would be greatly accepted. If you
> collect one for us, just plop it in the freezer with a note including,
> date, location, who caught it, and any other details that may be importan=
t
> (e.g. "washed up on the beach", "was in the stomach of the tuna I caught"=
).
>
>
> Randy
>
>
> _________________________________
> RF Lauff
> Way in the boonies of
> Antigonish County, NS.
>
> On 12 October 2017 at 11:13, bdigout <bdigout@seaside.ns.ca> wrote:
>
>> If this helps distinguish between the two,  it was 3-4 in. in length,
>> flapping like a bird.  Stationary at times, with only it's nose out of t=
he
>> water.
>>
>> On 10 Oct 2017 15:39, Randy Lauff wrote:
>>
>> Billy,
>>
>> I forwarded your pictures to former students of mine now working at DFO,
>> Jamie Emberley and Irene Andrushchenko. Here are the responses:
>>
>> "I think it could be a* tres cool* northern striped gurnard (*P. evolans=
*)...
>> But Jamie=E2=80=99s a pessimist and is disagreeing with me on that, citi=
ng the
>>  quality of the pictures. That having been said, he deals with fish ID
>> about 10,000 times a year to my once (now twice, thanks to this email!),=
 so
>> I would take his word over mine any day."
>>
>>
>>
>> "Hi Randy!  Really difficult to say.  It definitely has potential to be
>> a Sea Robin and Irene may be correct with *P. evolans*. But it would be
>> very difficult to get a confirmed ID on this. It also has some
>> characteristics of flying gurnard (Family Dactylopteridae) but they are
>> less common.  Difficult to see if the pectorals are spread fully.  Is th=
is
>> pic taken of the fish swimming at the surface?  Pretty cool to see."
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy
>> _________________________________
>> RF Lauff
>> Way in the boonies of
>> Antigonish County, NS.
>>
>> On 10 October 2017 at 12:43, John and Nhung <nhungjohn@eastlink.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please send away; will not guarantee an ID, but  don=E2=80=99t mind loo=
king.
>>>
>>> I'm now 65; when I was in school, my father was Port Technician for the
>>> Fisheries Research Board in Yarmouth.  He brought home a number of weir=
d
>>> specimens.  At some time in the mid-60's I do remember a sea robin comi=
ng
>>> home.  Don't know where it was caught, though!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:
>>> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of bdigout
>>> Sent: October 10, 2017 11:32 AM
>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> Subject: [NatureNS] fish id?
>>>
>>> Could anyone help with a fish id? Jeannie Shermerhorn took a picture of
>>> this fish that was "flying" through the water in the St. Peter's Canal.
>>> I can send a photo. Possibly a Sea Robin, although I didn't think they
>>> ventured this far north.
>>> Billy
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
Jamie Simpson
Hantsport, NS

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ve seen several excellent photos of Banded Rud=
derfish taken in the strait area this summer.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div>On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:11 PM pce &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pce@a=
ccesswave.ca">pce@accesswave.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>There are some lovely video=
s of this little fish on YouTube, for example this one:</div><div><br></div=
><div><a href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOVFk_XXJMq8" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOVFk_XXJMq8</a></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>--- Peter Payzant</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 14:56, Randy Lauff &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">randy.lauff@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Th=
anks Billy and Jeannie for more information.<div><br></div><div>I sent the =
extra information to my contact at DFO, who had to forward it to someone wh=
o spends time in CBI. Here is the response:</div><div><br></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Almost definitely <i>=
Dactylopterus
volitans=C2=A0 -=C2=A0 </i>=C2=A0Flying Gurnard.</span><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0These come up in the warmer water and then get
trapped in bays and coves when the water cools off.=C2=A0 They stay in the
warmer water of the bay until it too gets too cold and then they wash up on
beaches.=C2=A0 About 3 years ago there was a school of several hundred whic=
h
washed up on Clam Harbour Beach. The same year there were also a few found =
on
Janvrin Island next to Isle Madame and Point Michaud Beach.</span></p></div=
></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div><div><div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></=
p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Unfortunately f=
or this little
guy, I would say that his days are numbered.<span></span></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></=
p>

</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,=
125)">Bill=C2=A0<span></span></span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;font-size:11pt">MacEachern</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font co=
lor=3D"#000000">We have no representatives of this species, or family, in t=
he collection at StFX. This, or any other weird fish would be greatly accep=
ted. If you collect one for us, just plop it in the freezer with a note inc=
luding, date, location, who caught it, and any other details that may be im=
portant (e.g. &quot;washed up on the beach&quot;, &quot;was in the stomach =
of the tuna I caught&quot;).</font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=
=3D"#000000"><br></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"#000000">=
Randy</font></p></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"></div></div></div></blockq=
uote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"m_347286053258672098g=
mail-m_-434278004609362764gmail_signature">________________________________=
_<br>RF Lauff<br>Way in the boonies of<br>Antigonish County, NS.</div></div=
>
<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n 12 October 2017 at 11:13, bdigout <span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bdigout@sea=
side.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank">bdigout@seaside.ns.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>If this helps distinguish between the two,=C2=A0 it was 3-4 in. in lengt=
h, flapping like a bird.=C2=A0 Stationary at times, with only it&#39;s nose=
 out of the water.</p><span>
<p>On 10 Oct 2017 15:39, Randy Lauff wrote:</p>
</span><div><div class=3D"m_347286053258672098gmail-m_-434278004609362764h5=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding-left:5px;border-left:2px solid=
 rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;width:100%">
<div>Billy,
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I forwarded your pictures to former students of mine now working at DF=
O, Jamie Emberley and Irene Andrushchenko. Here are the responses:</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if;font-size:11pt">I think it could be a<em> tres cool</em> northern stripe=
d gurnard (</span><em style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,san=
s-serif;font-size:11pt">P. evolans</em><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">)... But Jamie=E2=80=99s a p=
essimist and is disagreeing with me on that, citing the =C2=A0quality of th=
e pictures. That having been said, he deals with fish ID about 10,000 times=
 a year to my once (now twice, thanks to this email!), so I would take his =
word over mine any day.&quot;</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if;font-size:11pt">Hi Randy!=C2=A0 Really difficult to say.=C2=A0 It defini=
tely has potential to be a Sea Robin and Irene may be correct with </span><=
em style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:1=
1pt">P. evolans</em><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">. But it would be very difficult to get a confi=
rmed ID on this. It also has some characteristics of flying gurnard (Family=
 Dactylopteridae) but they are less common.=C2=A0 Difficult to see if the p=
ectorals are spread fully.=C2=A0 Is this pic taken of the fish swimming at =
the surface?=C2=A0 Pretty cool to see.&quot;</span></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div class=3D"m_347286053258672098gmail-m_-434278004609362764m_-79590578897=
14629619gmail-m_-2691829138508954158gmail_signature">Randy</div>
<div class=3D"m_347286053258672098gmail-m_-434278004609362764m_-79590578897=
14629619gmail-m_-2691829138508954158gmail_signature">______________________=
___________<br>RF Lauff<br>Way in the boonies of<br>Antigonish County, NS.<=
/div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10 October 2017 at 12:43, John and Nhung <spa=
n>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca" target=3D"_blank">nhungjohn@=
eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding=
-left:1ex">Please send away; will not guarantee an ID, but=C2=A0 don=E2=80=
=99t mind looking.<br><br> I&#39;m now 65; when I was in school, my father =
was Port Technician for the Fisheries Research Board in Yarmouth.=C2=A0 He =
brought home a number of weird specimens.=C2=A0 At some time in the mid-60&=
#39;s I do remember a sea robin coming home.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t know where it =
was caught, though!<br>
<div class=3D"m_347286053258672098gmail-m_-434278004609362764m_-79590578897=
14629619gmail-m_-2691829138508954158HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"m_347286053258672098gmail-m_-434278004609362764m_-79590578897=
14629619gmail-m_-2691829138508954158h5"><br> -----Original Message-----<br>=
 From: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank">n=
aturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@c=
hebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] On Beha=
lf Of bdigout<br> Sent: October 10, 2017 11:32 AM<br> To: <a href=3D"mailto=
:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br>=
 Subject: [NatureNS] fish id?<br><br> Could anyone help with a fish id? Jea=
nnie Shermerhorn took a picture of this fish that was &quot;flying&quot; th=
rough the water in the St. Peter&#39;s Canal.<br> I can send a photo. Possi=
bly a Sea Robin, although I didn&#39;t think they ventured this far north.<=
br> Billy<br><br></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></=
div></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data=
-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jamie Simpson<br></div=
>Hantsport, NS<br></div></div>

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