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Hello All,
Just to add a further wrinkle I notice that there is an outbreak of=20
Spruce Budworm in Quebec. And unlike most insects, which 'kill' very=20
weak or dying trees the Budworm can kill even the most vigorous Fir or=20
Spruce. Fear of this getting out of hand, and driving the brow value of=20
stud wood below harvesting costs may be a factor driving high harvest=20
rates.
If some company, using their funds not public funds, wants to gamble=
=20
and bet their future on Spruce then I have no problem with their using=20
glyphosate to depress growth of hardwoods. But otherwise I think a mixed=20
forest is the better policy in this period of rapid climate change.=20
Spruce in the Kentville area is in poor shape. And air pollution from=20
our friends to the SW is going to get worse until the rush to coal is=20
reversed and when it has reversed air pollution will still be serious.=20
That coupled with unusually fickle weather with a warming trend will=20
limit Spruce to swampy land of low and slow growth within normal span of=20
a good Spruce. Spruce will continue to cope where there is ample rooting=20
depth in soil of good water holding capacity but this is usually used to=20
grow food or housing developments.
Setting such speculation aside I think some ground truth would be of=
=20
great value; such as forest cover and tree growth on typical 5, 10 15=20
and 20 year-old clearcuts. Perhaps some objective journalist could dig=20
into this.
YT, DW, Kentville
------ Original Message ------
From: "N Robinson" <nrobbyn@gmail.com>
To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: 10/16/2017 6:45:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
>Hello all,
>
>Isn't the problem with clear-cutting, not with clear-cutting per se but=20
>with the rate and extent of it: currently close to 90% of the total=20
>harvest on Crown Land in Nova Scotia, according to several reports by=20
>forest ecologists? I also hear that the re-growth of hardwoods is=20
>being discouraged by the use of herbicides, except in the demonstration=20
>and experimental forests of the Otter Ponds and the Medway Community=20
>Forest Cooperative, where they promote the growth of the Acadian Forest=20
>- and, of course, on many privately owned wood lots.
>
>I agree with Dave that there are many other threats to our forest where=20
>it is simply cut down, never to be replaced, to make way for highways=20
>and housing, also service roads such as John Kearney pointed out a few=20
>months ago on this forum, those cut through the forest to install and=20
>maintain wind turbines!!
>
>As far as forests not growing back, the questions of sustainability and=20
>potential soil depletion have to be addressed, given the years of=20
>clear-cutting, trampling of the soil by large machines working all year=20
>long, continued acid rain and now climate change - and probably many=20
>other things that I, not a trained scientist, don't know about. There=20
>are reports suggesting the soil, at least in SWNS, cannot sustain the=20
>present rate of harvesting.
>
>Nancy
>
>On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:46 PM, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>>Hi All,
>> It is interesting that this mock funeral will increase highway=20
>>traffic (briefly) because the expansion of highways, especially of the=20
>>101 series, has destroyed a huge chunk of potential forest land and=20
>>taken a much larger bite out of small animal habitat/population. Even=20
>>a 10" high gravel ridge is a barrier to snake travel and the huge cuts=20
>>and fills associated with the 101 series has fragmented Reptile and=20
>>Amphibian habitat much as a sledge hammer can fragment a fragile glass=20
>>container.
>> The idea that Moose need mature forest is not sound. I have never=20
>>hunted Moose but have several times hunted Deer in upland country=20
>>where Moose were also present. Moose sign were consistently very=20
>>sparse in mature woodland (as in got to get through this wasteland)=20
>>and abundant in nearby clearcut regrowth. In recent times Moose=20
>>reached the coast in BC. Mature forest had acted as a barrier to=20
>>travel and logging generated the food friendly means to travel from=20
>>inland areas to the coast.
>> It has been my experience that woodland, flattened by clearcut or=20
>>Spruce Budworm, becomes very good wildlife habitat within 10 years and=20
>>sometimes 1-2 if hardwoods are involved. Has this changed ? Are=20
>>recent clearcuts not growing back ?
>>YT, DW Kentville
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "Donna Crossland" <dcrossland@eastlink.ca>
>>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Sent: 10/15/2017 12:25:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
>>
>>>Thanks, Paul for reminding everyone-
>>>
>>>The Forest Funeral is a ceremony to both celebrate the life of the=20
>>>Acadian Forest, and also to mourn its great losses in Nova Scotia,=20
>>>particularly in recent years.
>>>
>>>Old Man Luedecke is going to sing "Sad as a Forest", a marvelous=20
>>>song. Lee Keating, an early logger, woodsman, and guide is driving=20
>>>all the way from Clyde River to sing his song about forest progress=20
>>>(pointing to the great progress to the feller buncher over the=20
>>>axe...). We have an array of amazing people who will say a few words=20
>>>in ode to our great Acadian forest. Soren Bondrup-Nielsen will offer=20
>>>a lament to forest wildlife; those species that suffer when forests=20
>>>are clearcut, removing critical food sources and shelter along with=20
>>>the wood (which is mostly going for chips from 40-50 year old=20
>>>stands). Bob Bancroft is going to deliver a gripping Eulogy. I hear=20
>>>there will be moose, fisher, marten, and forest birds in attendance. =20
>>>Where have you ever attended a funeral with those present? It only=20
>>>makes sense to pay respects to these species, since the critical loss=20
>>>of mature forests have caused the demise of these and other wildlife=20
>>>species.
>>>
>>>It's quite legacy we are leaving to our children.
>>>
>>>People drive for hours to attend funerals of loved ones. Do we=20
>>>"love" our forests and wildlife, or not?
>>>
>>>Donna Crossland (Funeral to take place at ~ 1 PM at Province House.)
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2017-10-15 11:28 AM, rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
>>>>Hi All
>>>>Thursday the 19th is the day for the Funeral of Nova Scotia Forests.
>>>>Some fellows had booked me for the day to view some NS rivers so
>>>>as I can't 2 places at once I need send my regrets. Difficult enough
>>>>doing something useful in one place!
>>>>The Global warming, CO2 thing has far reaching effects. Some folks=20
>>>>are even
>>>>making plans to move to Mars if we don't stop using fossil fuels.=20
>>>>But Biomass, wood
>>>>and so on are not counted against the CO2 immersions - count as=20
>>>>renewables. which
>>>>they are but they may take a while to renew. In the meantime our=20
>>>>woods get chopped
>>>>to the ground. Even the Lord Mayor of London England is taking=20
>>>>action. He doesn't
>>>>like the smoke but he has a more scientific term for it. Strange=20
>>>>bedfellows - the protestors
>>>>in Halifax and the Lord Mayor!
>>>>Anyway I hope those of you who are so inclined will take the=20
>>>>opportunity
>>>>to express your feelings.
>>>>Have a nice fall
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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v>Hello All,</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Just to add a further wrinkl=
e I notice that there is an outbreak of Spruce Budworm in Quebec. And unlik=
e most insects, which 'kill' very weak or dying trees the Budworm can kill=
even the most vigorous Fir or Spruce. Fear of this getting out of hand, and =
driving the brow value of stud wood below harvesting costs may be a factor =
driving high harvest rates.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If some company, =
using their funds not public funds, wants to gamble and bet their future o=
n Spruce then I have no problem with their using glyphosate to depress grow=
th of hardwoods. But otherwise I think a mixed forest is the better policy=
in this period of rapid climate change. Spruce in the Kentville area is in=
poor shape. And air pollution from our friends to the SW is going to get wo=
rse until the rush to coal is reversed and when it has reversed air polluti=
on will still be serious. That coupled with unusually fickle weather with a =
warming trend will limit Spruce to swampy land of low and slow growth with=
in normal span of a good Spruce. Spruce will continue to cope where there i=
s ample rooting depth in soil of good water holding capacity but this is us=
ually used to grow food or housing developments.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Se=
tting such speculation aside I think some ground truth would be of great va=
lue; such as forest cover and tree growth on typical 5, 10 15 and 20 year-o=
ld clearcuts. Perhaps some objective journalist could dig into this.=C2=A0<=
/div><div>YT, DW, Kentville</div>
<div><br /></div>
<div>------ Original Message ------</div>
<div>From: "N Robinson" <<a href=3D"mailto:nrobbyn@gmail.com">nrobbyn@gm=
ail.com</a>></div>
<div>To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <<a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.=
ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 10/16/2017 6:45:20 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral</div><div><br /></di=
v>
<div id=3D"x1d670fcfa82144c"><blockquote cite=3D"CAL4T0NxQ3c=3DoiggGEg+Y4S3=
QwrBOju07gOVQBH9gaP+1tnRmSw@mail.gmail.com" type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite2">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello all,<br /><br />Isn't the problem with clear-cu=
tting, not with clear-cutting per se but with the rate and extent of it:=C2=
=A0 currently close to 90% of the total harvest on Crown Land in Nova Scoti=
a, according to several reports by forest ecologists?=C2=A0 I also=C2=A0 he=
ar that the re-growth of hardwoods is being discouraged by the use of herbi=
cides, except in the demonstration and experimental forests of the Otter Po=
nds and the Medway Community Forest Cooperative, where they promote the gro=
wth of the Acadian Forest - and, of course, on many privately owned wood lo=
ts.<br /><br /></div><div>I agree with Dave that there are many other threa=
ts to our forest where it is simply cut down, never to be replaced, to make =
way for highways and housing, also service roads such as John Kearney poin=
ted out a few months ago on this forum, those cut through the forest to ins=
tall and maintain wind turbines!!<br /><br /></div><div>As far as forests n=
ot growing back, the questions of sustainability and potential soil depleti=
on have to be addressed, given the years of clear-cutting, trampling of the =
soil by large machines working all year long, continued acid rain and now=
climate change - and probably many other things that I, not a trained scien=
tist, don't know about.=C2=A0 There are reports suggesting the soil, at lea=
st in SWNS, cannot sustain the present rate of harvesting.<br /></div><div>=
<br /></div><div>Nancy<br /></div><div><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br /><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Dav=
id <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@gli=
nx.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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<div><div>Hi All,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is interesting that this moc=
k funeral will increase highway traffic (briefly) because the expansion of=
highways, especially of the 101 series, has destroyed a huge chunk of poten=
tial forest land and taken a much larger bite out of small animal habitat/p=
opulation. Even a 10" high gravel ridge is a barrier to snake travel and th=
e huge cuts and fills associated with the 101 series has fragmented Reptile =
and Amphibian habitat much as a sledge hammer can fragment a fragile glass =
container.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The idea that Moose need mature fo=
rest is not sound. I have never hunted Moose but have several times hunted=
Deer in upland country where Moose were also present. Moose sign were consi=
stently very sparse in mature woodland (as in got to get through this waste=
land) and abundant in nearby clearcut regrowth. In recent times Moose reach=
ed the coast in BC. Mature forest had acted as a barrier to travel and logg=
ing generated the food friendly means to travel from inland areas to the co=
ast.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It has been my experience that woodland, flatt=
ened by clearcut or Spruce Budworm, becomes very good wildlife habitat with=
in 10 years and sometimes 1-2 if hardwoods are involved.=C2=A0 Has this cha=
nged ? Are recent clearcuts not growing back ?</div><div>YT, DW Kentville</=
div><div><div class=3D"m_8695366003032279361m_1542068103766308601m_-3013274=
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dcrossland@eastlink.ca</a>></div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
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<div>Sent: 10/15/2017 12:25:54 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral</div><div><br /></div>
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<p>Thanks, Paul for reminding everyone-<br />
</p>
<p>The Forest Funeral is a ceremony to both celebrate the life of
the Acadian Forest, and also to mourn its great losses in Nova
Scotia, particularly in recent years. <br />
</p>
<p> <b>Old Man Luedecke </b>is going to sing <b>"Sad as a Forest</b>",
a marvelous song.=C2=A0 Lee Keating, an early logger, woodsman, and
guide is driving all the way from Clyde River to sing his song
about forest progress (pointing to the great progress to the
feller buncher over the axe...).=C2=A0 We have an array of amazing
people who will say a few words in ode to our great Acadian
forest.=C2=A0 Soren Bondrup-Nielsen will offer a lament to forest
wildlife; those species that suffer when forests are clearcut,
removing critical food sources and shelter along with the wood
(which is mostly going for chips from 40-50 year old stands).=C2=A0 B=
ob
Bancroft is going to deliver a gripping Eulogy.=C2=A0 I hear there wi=
ll
be moose, fisher, marten, and forest birds in attendance.=C2=A0 Where
have you ever attended a funeral with those present? =C2=A0 It only
makes sense to pay respects to these species, since the critical
loss of mature forests have caused the demise of these and other
wildlife species.<br />
</p>
<p>It's quite=C2=A0 legacy we are leaving to our children.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
<br />
</p>
<p>People drive for hours to attend funerals of loved ones.=C2=A0 Do we
"love" our forests and wildlife, or not?</p>
<p>Donna Crossland (Funeral to take place at ~ 1 PM at Province
House.)<br />
</p>
<br />
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<div> Hi All </div>
<div> Thursday the 19th is the day
for the Funeral of Nova Scotia Forests.<br />
</div>
<div> Some fellows had booked me
for the day to view some NS rivers so<br />
</div>
<div> as I can't 2 places at once
I need send my regrets. Difficult enough<br />
</div>
<div> doing something useful in
one place!<br />
</div>
<div> The Global warming, CO2
thing has far reaching effects. Some folks are even<br />
</div>
<div> making plans to move to Mars
if we don't stop using fossil fuels. But Biomass, wood<br />
</div>
<div> and so on are not counted
against the CO2 immersions - count as renewables. which<br />
</div>
<div> they are but they may take a
while to renew. In the meantime our woods get chopped<br />
</div>
<div> to the ground. Even the Lord
Mayor of London England is taking action. He doesn't <br />
</div>
<div> like the smoke but he has a
more scientific term for it. Strange bedfellows - the
protestors<br />
</div>
<div> in Halifax and the Lord
Mayor!<br />
</div>
<div> Anyway I hope those of you
who are so inclined will take the opportunity<br />
</div>
<div> to express your feelings.<br />
</div>
<div> Have a nice fall<br />
</div>
<div> Paul<br />
</div>
<div> =C2=A0 </div>
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