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r herbivores will become less nutritious in terms of mineral nu --------=_MB1AA1DAA9-0641-4AED-AFD6-C584DB8A80D4 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick & All, A closed mind and hysteria are not favorable conditions for a=20 positive discussion; or for positive outcomes. I have two woodlots and have clearcut only when it was the only=20 practical choice; e.g. once only when all Spruce in some 5-10 acres that=20 was predominantly Spruce suddenly shed needles early in the summer of=20 2000; felled by chainsaw and extracted by porter. I requested that=20 hardwood be spared whenever possible (it all was) and that the porter be=20 used only when the soil was dry (there was zero soil disturbance). That turned out well. There was some annual cover that same year=20 (drawing on memory) but starting early in the following year there was a=20 vigorous cover of insect friendly annual and perennial plants except=20 where prevented by hardwood trees (e.g. shoulder high Solidago sp by=20 late summer). One White Birch grew so rapidly that the bark split at the=20 base. To judge from subsequent growth of spared hardwood and seeded=20 trees there was zero leaching loss. But I know that clearcutting happens a great deal. One of the=20 reasons is economic. I suspect that depopulation of rural areas is=20 another because if you have to migrate to find work then selling the=20 family woodlot for a song may be your only option. Spruce trees near=20 Kentville are unthrifty to put it mildly and this may be true elsewhere.=20 Is the rush to cut perhaps driven by the emergence or fear of tree=20 decline ? I don't advocate clearcutting as the way to go but if you wish to=20 change industry practices then it is desirable to find out why it has=20 become so widespread. Selective cutting is practical for the hobby=20 firewood cutter, e.g. DW, and just possible commercially given UNUSUALLY=20 favorable circumstances. Otherwise it is a great way to make a large=20 loss, as I learned in 2002 when we horse logged selectively. I had an opportunity to try selective cutting about 2003 using a=20 tree harvester with (as I recall) an 18' reach. The approach was to cut=20 9' travel ways (in about 20 acres of overstocked woods) every 36',=20 protect soil of the travel ways with trash wood and selectively cut the=20 remainder using the tree harvester, I agreed, had a sleepless night and=20 to my everlasting regret backed out. My harvester friend said "Dave, if=20 you don't thin these trees they will all die" As it turned out he was=20 entirely correct and I missed an opportunity to test a possible cost=20 effective way to thin overstocked woodland. Yt, DW, Kentville ------ Original Message ------ From: "Nick Hill" <fernhillns@gmail.com> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Sent: 10/15/2017 5:31:39 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral >Let's pull together. >The argument that clearcut is good for wildlife is able to be made in a=20 >mosaic of mature and disturbed habitat. Where we have clearcut and=20 >recovery from clearcut being the principal land class, one cannot argue=20 >for the value of clearcut. >Where clearcut is used in rapid succession every 60 years or less, the=20 >soil nutrient base becomes depleted. Where that occurs there are=20 >ecosystem impacts as well as trophic level implications as browse for=20 >herbivores will become less nutritious in terms of mineral nutrients. > >Nova Scotia still has forest. PEI does not. New Brunswick is being=20 >intensively managed. Nova Scotia could choose to get out of the forest=20 >as a short-term source of funds and could become a green Vermont of the=20 >Maritimes. We have the tradition of the guides of the north woods and=20 >lovely rivers. No one comes for clearcuts. Clearcut forestry cannot=20 >survive without addition of human sewage compost. Why not develop a=20 >forestry based on longer rotations that uses true selection cutting and=20 >results in working landscapes whose productivity and thought make=20 >people's minds register beauty rather than out for a quick buck=20 >sadness? > >On Oct 15, 2017 4:45 PM, "rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca"=20 ><rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >>Good point Dave! Folks travelling on the 103 should >>remember that paving is in progress about exit 5a. Delays can be=20 >>length! >>Take my word from experience! >>An old saying in BC Dave "The Axe comes before the Moose" >>summarizes it nicely. >>Enjoy the Autumn >>Paul >> >>>On October 15, 2017 at 2:46 PM David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hi All, >>> It is interesting that this mock funeral will increase highway=20 >>>traffic (briefly) because the expansion of highways, especially of=20 >>>the 101 series, has destroyed a huge chunk of potential forest land=20 >>>and taken a much larger bite out of small animal habitat/population.=20 >>>Even a 10" high gravel ridge is a barrier to snake travel and the=20 >>>huge cuts and fills associated with the 101 series has fragmented=20 >>>Reptile and Amphibian habitat much as a sledge hammer can fragment a=20 >>>fragile glass container. >>> The idea that Moose need mature forest is not sound. I have never=20 >>>hunted Moose but have several times hunted Deer in upland country=20 >>>where Moose were also present. Moose sign were consistently very=20 >>>sparse in mature woodland (as in got to get through this wasteland)=20 >>>and abundant in nearby clearcut regrowth. In recent times Moose=20 >>>reached the coast in BC. Mature forest had acted as a barrier to=20 >>>travel and logging generated the food friendly means to travel from=20 >>>inland areas to the coast. >>> It has been my experience that woodland, flattened by clearcut or= =20 >>>Spruce Budworm, becomes very good wildlife habitat within 10 years=20 >>>and sometimes 1-2 if hardwoods are involved. Has this changed ? Are=20 >>>recent clearcuts not growing back ? >>>YT, DW Kentville >>> >>>------ Original Message ------ >>>From: "Donna Crossland" < dcrossland@eastlink.ca> >>>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >>>Sent: 10/15/2017 12:25:54 PM >>>Subje