[NatureNS] two trees to buy a pizza or would we rather a car with

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&gt;&gt; On February 8, 2016 at 8:21 AM David
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as you will




On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:06 PM, David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
wrote:

> Nick,
>    I am not aware of any ot these places being wooded then and
> subsequently converted to agriculture. I do recall collecting in hardwood=
s
> on Salmon ancient floodplains, well above 50s flood levels, soon to be
> stripped for gravel; not agriculture.
>     Meadows which frequently flood in summer and are nearly always
> flooded over winter don't support trees.
> DW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com>
> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2016 3:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NatureNS] two trees to buy a pizza or would we rather a
> car with the same two trees?
>
>  you guys back in the EC Smith days covered the province...
> Oxford's R Phillip, Meander, Kennetcook, Gaspereau
> Salmon...we can go on and we should
>
> Wherever it was fertile
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:25 PM, David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.co=
m
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>     Where were floodplains converted to agriculture in NS ? A smattering
>> in NB but none is NS that I am aware of. Some Salmon River floodplains w=
ere
>> mined for gravel when the 100 series highways were built near there and =
I
>> think some floodplains near Oxford were mined.
>>     Floodplains are enriched by the silt deposited by floodwaters each
>> year; e.g. Nile, Tigrus not by trees which may take advantage of the
>> enriched soil.
>> Yt, DW
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com>
>> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2016 2:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NatureNS] two trees to buy a pizza or would we rather a
>> car with the same two trees?
>>
>> Hey John
>> yes tree roots are purported to be amazing N and P pumps and can take up
>> nutrients before they reach waterways..90% range according to Maltby who
>> was working on big rivers of Europe.
>> when you lose trees you lose these pumps and go to lower functional
>> states and herbaceous plants arent a lick on trees.
>>
>> The tree was an engineer of floodplains in big ways and we lost a lot of
>> that when we converted floodplain for agriculture. This floodplain fores=
t
>> is what supports a good group of the Appalachian Deciduous Forest
>> species..bloodroot, blue cohosh Canada violet (?) wild coffee, Canada Li=
ly,
>> wild garlic, yellow violets, toothwort, Solomon's plume..and this is the
>> habitat we need right now to let us preserve the diversity that is
>> expanding northward and may be eliminated from Kentucky in time. I'm
>> looking forward to being able to eat pawpaws, crush spicebush leaves and
>> swing on forest grape vines in my nineties in Nova Scotia but first we n=
eed
>> to secure and restore floodplain habitat.
>>
>> must be midwinter
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:05 PM, David & Alison Webster <
>> dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John & All,
>>>     Any deep-rooted plant will move nutrients to the surface if that is
>>> what you mean. Grasses are in general better than trees because their f=
ine
>>> roots can penetrate the pores of rigid soils not accessible to tree roo=
ts.
>>> This is why Agropyron repens (Couch) is such a vigorous weed. And why t=
he
>>> fertility of Prairie soil is immense.
>>> Yt, DW
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* John and Nhung <nhungjohn@eastlink.ca>
>>> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2016 12:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* RE: [NatureNS] two trees to buy a pizza or would we rather a
>>> car with the same two trees?
>>>
>>> When I was a CUSO volunteer in Northeast Thailand, thirty-odd years ago=
,
>>> our country Director (a soil scientist by training) called trees =E2=80=
=9Cnutrient
>>> pumps.=E2=80=9D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Made eminent sense in an area with terrible soils, with minimal organic
>>> content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:
>>> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Hill
>>> *Sent:* February 8, 2016 11:44 AM
>>> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NatureNS] two trees to buy a pizza or would we rather a
>>> car with the same two trees?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trees have been called environmental engineers as they make habitat and
>>> set up the food web. We are very lucky to have neighbours that let us w=
alk
>>> and bring kids through their woods that are in good condition with larg=
e
>>> mature trees of pines and hemlock. We saw the strips of tree felling fr=
om
>>> the microbursts that we called the Berwick Blow of a few winters ago th=
at
>>> took out some 200 year old hemlock but we also see blow down along a li=
ne
>>> between two properties where still another neighbour has clearcut and i=
t
>>> has made it not possible to ski in the adjacent uncut property over a 4=
0m
>>> width due to blow down.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:06 AM, David & Alison Webster <
>>> dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dusan,
>>>
>>>     Yes and no. A sufficiently high wind can mow a swath through
>>> undisturbed forest. And counting Dec 13, 2010 (ignoring Juan because it=
 was
>>> local) we have had two high winds recently; one even in May, 2013 (?). =
And
>>> many winds which finish the job or start fresh ones.
>>>
>>>     The Kentville ravine is a good example; the 2010 wind felled a
>>> significant area of Hemlock/hardwood. In my woods more Poplar went over
>>> than 5 households could use both as 'scattered' trees of up to 6 in one
>>> domino and two areas (~1 acre & 2 acres) where nearly every tree went
>>> down. Most large Spruce which survived 2010 were taken in 2013.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I