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Index of Subjects This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03A5_01D15F5C.8B254300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick & All, =20 I agree, against the backdrop of history, when only the very rich = and powerful had sufficient food, the cost of industrial food is nearly = zero; unless you are jobless, homeless or poor for other reasons and = then it is beyond reach except through charity. Shameful but true. DIGRESSION\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Recently I read an article about Ebla, a city long gone near Aleppo, = Syria (National Geographic 154(6):730-759, 1978). About 2500 BC in the = Middle East it was commonly accepted that : p. 741 "The monarch was = expected to defend the widowed, the orphaned and the poor from all = exploitation and injustice... Failure to protect the poor could cost a = king his throne." We have come a long way; downhill. So I understand; there are currently more than 2200 homeless = Veterans in Canada [talk of a monument to honor Veterans] and more than = 120,000 homeless with mental problems. From their viewpoint and the many = poor who barely scrape by paying more for food is not an option. END OF DIGRESSION\\\\\\\\\\ Organic is fine for a while and fine for those who can afford it. = Ultimately it can be sustained only if nutrients extracted = can in some way be replenished. There is likely enough in circulation = here to last at least another 50 years. When nutrients become seriously = depleted I am sure people will eventually catch on and act accordingly.=20 Meanwhile it is a valid reaction against industrial agriculture so = it has my blessing and financial support. Yt, DW Kentville ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nicholas Hill=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Public consultation re use of pesticide... GMO = crops and loss of weedy species yes, paying more for food is the key to being fair to farmers, = communities and nature. We get food at ridiculously low cost..PEI potatoes, valley apples. The weed near a cereal crop does least damage as cereal germinates = first and preempts smaller seeded, later starting weeds. It's not so much for human health reasons, Organic should be best for = natural world or do we need another label..naturesafe? Nick On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM, rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca = <rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: The reason Herbicides are so much better from a farmers point of = view=20 David is that herbicides kill the weeds close to the planted crop.=20 The weeds in the middle of the rows are not very harmful and are = easy=20 to control by cultivation.=20 However the weeds close to the plants cause the reduction in yields. = They rob moisture, nutrients sunlight and harbour insects but there=20 is no way a farmer can remove them by cultivation. short of the old = hand hoe.=20 In addition they make harvesting more difficult by not allowing the = crop=20 to dry out in the short days of fall.=20 Farmers tell me herbicides give the best return on investment of=20 all their inputs. But maybe we would like to pay more for food!=20 Enjoy the thaw=20 Paul=20 =20 On February 4, 2016 at 8:33 AM David Patriquin = <davidgpatriquin@yahoo.ca> wrote:=20 =20 =20 Incororating resistance to Roundup & now a couple of other = herbicides (because weeds also becoming resistant) in GMO crops has one = huge effect on wildlife that I don't see discussed much or at all: the = complete obliteration of weedy species over massive areas, not seen much = in NS but go to Que and Ont where field after large field of GMO = soybean, maize and cannola are grown, and they are virtually dead except = for the crops; even after the crops are taken off they remain free of = weedy species. Under traditional management, weeds were set back by = tillage to allow crop to get established, then a diversity of weedy = species grow up in the understory, flowering and providing food for = pollinators, seeds for wildlife.. and after the crop is taken off, = groundcover. No more so. The farmers like the GMO crops because of the = simplified management, but with selection of appropriate cultivars, some = mechanical management, reducing some types of tillage...weeds can be = controlled without eliminating them and our farm fields can be more = supportive of wildlife. =20 =20 Glyphosate is toxic to plants and bacteria, so has huge effects on = the microbiotia also..=20 =20 Agreed, Nick: " As naturalists, impacts on natural world are our = major responsibility."=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=20 Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Public consultation re use of pesticide = Atrazine in Canada: a re-evaluation David,=20 no confusion here. Listserve focus is on nature not human safety. = Atrazine article deals with human safety concerns not biodiversity.=20 If we want to take a stand on pesticides it would be for their = biodiversity implications of which there are tons. Roundup is an example = but there are many=20 showing impacts of other pesticides on native bees and other = pollinators.=20 Nick=20 =20 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1890/04-1291/abstract=20 = http://www.jstor.org/stable/40983228?seq=3D1#page_scan_tab_contents=20 =20 On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:02 PM, David & Alison Webster = <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:=20 Hi Nick,=20 The item dealt with Atrazine not Roundup. Best not to = confuse matters. =20 Dave W =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nicholas Hill=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:12 PM=20 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Public consultation re use of = pesticide Atrazine in Canada: a re-evaluation=20 =20 Gyphosate (roundup) going under radar despite the lethal = impacts of amphibian larvae (ca 98% kill) from the surfactant used to = get the pesticide across the plant's cuticle.=20 Not supposed to be used near water courses but amphibians are = in swampy woods.=20 As naturalists, impacts on natural world are our major = responsibility. Physicians (royal...Ontario. .forget the association) = did take a stand against recreational and household usage of pesticide = on the basis of human health risk. We can stand up for nature.=20 Nick=20 On Feb 3, 2016 5:59 PM, "N Robinson" < nrobbyn@gmail.com> = wrote:=20 Hello everyone,=20 A member of the Quebec branch of the Sierra Club just sent = me an email regarding Canada's Pest Management Regulatory Agency doing a = re-evaluation of the pesticide Atrazine (announced December 15 2015).=20 Some of you, more knowledgeable than I, might want to send = them some feedback.=20 = http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pest/part/consultations/_rev2015-11/rev201= 5-11-eng.php=20 Re-evaluation Note REV2015-11, Special Review of Atrazine: = Proposed Decision for Consultation Nancy=20 No virus found in this message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11542 - Release = Date: 02/02/16=20 =20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11552 - Release Date: = 02/04/16 ------=_NextPart_000_03A5_01D15F5C.8B254300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Nick & All, = =20 </DIV> <DIV> I agree, against the backdrop of history, when = only the=20 very rich and powerful had sufficient food, the cost of industrial food = is=20 nearly zero; unless you are jobless, homeless or poor for other reasons = and then=20 it is beyond reach except through charity. Shameful but true.</DIV> <DIV>DIGRESSION\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\</DIV> <DIV> Recently I read an article about Ebla, a city = long gone=20 near Aleppo, Syria (National Geographic 154(6):730-759, 1978). About = 2500 BC in=20 the Middle East it was commonly accepted that : p. 741 "The = monarch=20 was expected to defend the widowed, the orphaned and the poor from = all=20 exploitation and injustice... Failure to protect the poor could cost a = king his=20 throne." We have come a long way; downhill.</DIV> <DIV> So I understand; there are currently more than = 2200=20 homeless Veterans in Canada [talk of a monument to honor Veterans] and = more than=20 120,000 homeless with mental problems. From their viewpoint and the many = poor=20 who barely scrape by paying more for food is not an option.</DIV> <DIV>END OF DIGRESSION\\\\\\\\\\</DIV> <DIV> Organic is fine for a while and fine for those = who can=20 afford it. =20 Ultimately it can be sustained only if nutrients = extracted=20 can in some way be replenished. There is likely enough in circulation = here to=20 last at least another 50 years. When nutrients become seriously = depleted I=20 am sure people will eventually catch on and act accordingly. </DIV> <DIV> Meanwhile it is a valid reaction against = industrial=20 agriculture so it has my blessing and financial support.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yt, DW Kentville</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dfernhillns@gmail.com = href=3D"mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com">Nicholas=20 Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 04, = 2016 11:18=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Public=20 consultation re use of pesticide... GMO crops and loss of weedy = species</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>yes, paying more for food is the key to being fair to = farmers,=20 communities and nature. <DIV>We get food at ridiculously low cost..PEI potatoes, valley = apples.</DIV> <DIV>The weed near a cereal crop does least damage as cereal = germinates first=20 and preempts smaller seeded, later starting weeds.</DIV> <DIV>It's not so much for human health reasons, Organic should be best = for=20 natural world or do we need another label..naturesafe?<BR>Nick<BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM, <A=20 href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca</A> <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A=20 href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20 class=3Dgmail_quote><U></U> <DIV> <DIV>The reason Herbicides are so much better from a farmers = point of=20 view </DIV> <DIV>David is that herbicides kill the weeds close to the planted = crop.=20 </DIV> <DIV>The weeds in the middle of the rows are not very harmful and = are easy=20 </DIV> <DIV>to control by cultivation. </DIV> <DIV>However the weeds close to the plants cause the reduction in = yields.=20 </DIV> <DIV>They rob moisture, nutrients sunlight and harbour insects but = there=20 </DIV> <DIV>is no way a farmer can remove them by cultivation. short of the = old=20 hand hoe. </DIV> <DIV>In addition they make harvesting more difficult by not allowing = the=20 crop </DIV> <DIV>to dry out in the short days of fall. </DIV> <DIV>Farmers tell me herbicides give the best return on investment = of </DIV> <DIV>all their inputs. But maybe we would like to pay more for food! = </DIV> <DIV>Enjoy the thaw </DIV><SPAN><FONT color=3D#888888> <DIV>Paul </DIV></FONT></SPAN> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; = MARGIN-LEFT: 0px"=20 type=3D"cite">On February 4, 2016 at 8:33 AM David Patriquin <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:davidgpatriquin@yahoo.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>davidgpatriquin@yahoo.ca</A>> wrote: <BR><BR> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: = HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; = COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Incororating resistance to Roundup & now a = couple of=20 other herbicides (because weeds also becoming resistant) in GMO = crops has=20 one huge effect on wildlife that I don't see discussed much or at = all: the=20 complete obliteration of weedy species over massive areas, not = seen much=20 in NS but go to Que and Ont where field after large field of GMO = soybean,=20 maize and cannola are grown, and they are virtually dead except = for the=20 crops; even after the crops are taken off they remain free of = weedy=20 species. Under traditional management, weeds were set back by = tillage to=20 allow crop to get established, then a diversity of weedy species = grow up=20 in the understory, flowering and providing food for pollinators, = seeds for=20 wildlife.. and after the crop is taken off, groundcover. No more = so. The=20 farmers like the GMO crops because of the simplified management, = but with=20 selection of appropriate cultivars, some mechanical management, = reducing=20 some types of tillage...weeds can be controlled without = eliminating them=20 and our farm fields can be more supportive of wildlife. = </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV> <DIV>Glyphosate is toxic to plants and bacteria, so has huge = effects on=20 the microbiotia also.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Agreed, Nick: " <SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px">As = naturalists,=20 impacts on natural world are our major responsibility."</SPAN> = </DIV><BR> <DIV><BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"DISPLAY: block"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <HR SIZE=3D1> <SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><STRONG><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></STRONG> Nicholas Hill = <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com"=20 target=3D_blank>fernhillns@gmail.com</A>><BR><STRONG><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></STRONG> "<A=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>> <BR><STRONG><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></STRONG> Thursday, = February 4, 2016=20 7:32 AM<BR><STRONG><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></STRONG> Re: = [NatureNS] Public=20 consultation re use of pesticide Atrazine in Canada: a=20 re-evaluation<BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>David,=20 <DIV>no confusion here. Listserve focus is on nature not human = safety.=20 Atrazine article deals with human safety concerns not = biodiversity. </DIV> <DIV>If we want to take a stand on pesticides it would be for = their=20 biodiversity implications of which there are tons. Roundup is an = example=20 but there are many </DIV> <DIV>showing impacts of other pesticides on native bees and other=20 pollinators. </DIV> <DIV>Nick </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A = href=3D"http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1890/04-1291/abstract"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1890/04-1291/abstra= ct</A>=20 <BR clear=3Dnone> <DIV><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.jstor.org/stable/40983228?seq=3D1#page_scan_tab_conten= ts"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://www.jstor.org/stable/40983228?seq=3D1#page_scan_ta= b_contents</A>=20 <BR clear=3Dnone> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><BR clear=3Dnone> <DIV>On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:02 PM, David & Alison Webster=20 <SPAN><<A href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com"=20 target=3D_blank>dwebster@glinx.com</A>></SPAN> wrote: <BR = clear=3Dnone> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"><SPAN=20 style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline"></SPAN> <DIV> <DIV>Hi Nick, </DIV> <DIV> The item dealt with Atrazine not = Roundup.=20 Best not to confuse matters. </DIV> <DIV>Dave W </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; = font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com" = target=3D_blank>Nicholas Hill</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; = font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>To:</STRONG>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20 target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; = font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>Sent:</STRONG>=20 Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:12 PM </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; = font-stretch: normal"><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG>=20 Re: [NatureNS] Public consultation re use of pesticide = Atrazine in=20 Canada: a re-evaluation </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Gyphosate (roundup) going under radar despite = the lethal=20 impacts of amphibian larvae (ca 98% kill) from the surfactant = used to=20 get the pesticide across the plant's cuticle. <BR = clear=3Dnone>Not=20 supposed to be used near water courses but amphibians are in = swampy=20 woods. <BR clear=3Dnone>As naturalists, impacts on natural = world are our=20 major responsibility. Physicians (royal...Ontario. .forget the = association) did take a stand against recreational and = household=20 usage of pesticide on the basis of human health risk. We can = stand up=20 for nature. </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Nick </DIV> <DIV>On Feb 3, 2016 5:59 PM, "N Robinson" < <A=20 href=3D"mailto:nrobbyn@gmail.com"=20 target=3D_blank>nrobbyn@gmail.com</A>> wrote: <BR = clear=3Dnone> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Hello everyone, <BR clear=3Dnone><BR = clear=3Dnone></DIV> A=20 member of the Quebec branch of the Sierra Club just sent me = an email=20 regarding Canada's Pest Management Regulatory Agency doing a = re-evaluation of the pesticide Atrazine (announced December = 15=20 2015). <BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>Some of you, = more=20 knowledgeable than I, might want to send them some feedback. = <BR=20 clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone> <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pest/part/consultations/_rev2015-1= 1/rev2015-11-eng.php"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pest/part/consultations/_r= ev2015-11/rev2015-11-eng.php</A>=20 <BR clear=3Dnone> <H1><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">Re-evaluation Note = REV2015-11,=20 Special Review of Atrazine: Proposed Decision for=20 Consultation</SPAN></H1></DIV>Nancy=20 </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><A></A></DIV></DIV> <DIV align=3Dleft>No virus found in this message. <SPAN><BR=20 clear=3Dnone>Checked by AVG - <A href=3D"http://www.avg.com/"=20 target=3D_blank>www.avg.com</A><BR clear=3Dnone>Version: = 2016.0.7441 /=20 Virus Database: 4522/11542 - Release Date: 02/02/16</SPAN>=20 = </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><= BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR> =20 = </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><A></A> <P align=3Dleft color=3D"#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this=20 message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2016.0.7441 / = Virus=20 Database: 4522/11552 - Release Date: = 02/04/16</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_03A5_01D15F5C.8B254300--
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