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nk">fernhillns@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D --001a113eff8c52c54c052a3c74ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, but it is silly to think we can legislate that every cat stays indoors, even those of owners who tend their cats, feed birds at feeders our of reach of cats, bring in cats when there are obvious birds around, bring them in at night, leave long grass for meadow spp., leave brush piles for refuge.. Before I get a cease and desist, make sure we are solving the most egregious cases: ferals, unneutereds, barns full. It's all about doing what we can and being models, not waving sticks. Our cats have taken shrews mice and voles but no evidence of birds. How about starting with cat control (barns, neutering, confiscation of feral cats) and moving into education..what you can do...not a No Cats outside ever rule? Then we look at the data. Does any one have the detailed report on results and methodology of the CWS study? This is a good thread..threats facing birds, valuable biodiversity and ecological indicator. Nick On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com> wrote: > But Nick, something so preventable, and easily preventable...to save so > much wildlife. > > It is not silly. > > Randy > > _________________________________ > RF Lauff > Way in the boonies of > Antigonish County, NS. > > On 26 January 2016 at 08:34, Nicholas Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Darrell, Randy >> we cant lock everyone up who drives ATVs, who leaves cars idling, who >> cuts down trees unnecessarily, who doesn't pick up after their dog, who = has >> the thermostat set at 78F, who cuts grass rather than has a biodiverse >> butterfly garden. >> >> This is silly >> >> Nick >> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM, <darrell@abolitphotos.ca> wrote: >> >>> For some reason, cats will kill star-nosed moles and plenty of them but >>> they won't eat them. I wonder why, there must be a reason, maybe a scen= t >>> gland. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure why people think that keeping cats in at night will cure >>> the problem, maybe lessen it by 1/4. The true cure is to not allow >>> housecats to roam free, (same law as for dogs) they must be in a pen, l= eash >>> or under control, the same as any other pet. This will near totally cur= e >>> the problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> Coyotes love the taste of cats, our DNR found 3 cat collars in one >>> coyote stomach. I think that if people really do love their cats, they >>> would contain them so not to get run over or ate. I don't believe peopl= e >>> think about them be eaten though. >>> >>> >>> >>> Housecats are a problem in the rural areas, the same as they are >>> anywhere else. A roaming cat kills no matter where it resides. I know = of >>> two different houses that have about 15 cats each, lovely, just xxxxxxx >>> lovely. The best way to get rid of mice is to trap them, rats too. Cats >>> will not tacke full grown rats, seen them run from them, baby rats mayb= e. >>> Education and law is what is needed. It seems there is some sort of lef= t >>> over scare from the black plague to allow cats to roam and kill at will= . Be >>> known that the cats just spread the plague further by hosting fleas. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is past time to make it law to contain your pets, all pets, no >>> exceptions. Only then will this problem be solved and not until. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:27:59 -0400, David Currie < >>> david_currie@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> We sometimes get caught up with the estimated numbers quoted from EC or >>> others as being totally accurate for some reason, though always express= ed >>> in an estimate or within a certain range. I don=E2=80=99t have to tell = this group >>> that science is based on fact with those facts extrapolated to give us = some >>> idea. Cod numbers, seal numbers, feral cat numbers etc. to make a >>> comparison. Is the number of birds really that important other than it= =E2=80=99 a >>> lot and getting worse as free-roaming cats increase? Don=E2=80=99t we = think that >>> if we lose 350 million or 100 or 70 million land birds/small animals to >>> cats in Canada a year, it=E2=80=99s too many when we can avoid it? Do w= e always >>> have to complain about collisions, habitat destruction etc. to lessen t= he >>> guilt we have about our pet cat? >>> >>> This is a human issue of attitude and it is important that we become >>> more responsible for our cats as we have with dogs. Cats are doing what >>> they are built to hunt extremely effectively and we are contributing to >>> aiding an invasive species that has a direct impact on our natural >>> wildlife. Relegating our pet cats to the house doesn=E2=80=99t mean a = life in the >>> closet, and from what I understand from my friends, it develops a bette= r >>> =E2=80=9Cpet experience=E2=80=9D where they are not killed, shot at, po= isoned, scarred or >>> lost. On the wildlife side, we humans need to take some responsibility = here >>> and quit hiding behind the , my cat is =E2=80=9Ctoo old=E2=80=9D, =E2= =80=9Ctoo fat=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cdoesn=E2=80=99t climb >>> trees=E2=80=9D, is a =E2=80=9Cbush cat=E2=80=9D, (I=E2=80=99ve heard th= at one) and =E2=80=9Cnever brings anything >>> home=E2=80=9D attitude that relieves them of the guilt they have. >>> >>> If we talk to the trap and neuter people, which I have, they are >>> experiencing a huge growth of unwanted cats in NS, there are no resourc= es >>> to deal with it and a public attitude that pretty much encourages dumpi= ng >>> them. Burnside Park in Dartmouth, the TN people say, has 1000 feral cat= s at >>> a minimum as the SPCA (located there) has no room so the people open th= e >>> car door and abandon them right there. They told me you could set a tra= p >>> anywhere there and catch