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taken yet) but the population of these animal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0513_01D156F0.598C1EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David C. & All, Jan 24, 2016 Not being a birder I am on thin ice here but is it not correct that = birds which commonly feed on the ground would be most susceptible to = predation by cats (such as Pidgins and Starlings) whereas birds which = seldom land on the ground to feed should be least affected by cats (such = as Swifts, Warblers and Swallows) ? Are the above ground feeders (Pidgins and Starlings) in drastic = decline while all the examples who feed above ground (Swifts, Warblers, = and Swallows) are doing just fine ? I would have guessed it was the = other way around which, if correct, would demonstrate that cat predation = is a non-issue. And you are going out on an extremely weak limb if you suggest that = cat predation trumps habitat. I am sure you must know better; habitat is = the foundation upon which life rests.=20 Cats which are turned loose, probably because their owners can't = afford to feed them, can't find an affordable apartment which allows = pets, have to move... is an entirely different matter. Fixing them and = turning them loose is also a non-solution.=20 People who did not grow up seeing animals killed are reluctant to = condone it. It is all part of the 'lets control the seal population by = giving them contraceptive pills' or let's give the Terns a break and = control Gull populations by hiring people to make distracting noises = whenever a Gull starts to mount a female school of "thought".=20 This isolation of many humans from reality is sad but don't blame = cats for that. And in review; if two three letter words (CAT and ATV) can generate = all this traffic can you imagine what a four letter word (CATV) might = do. It is way past my bedtime. DW, Kentville =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Currie=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" Hi All We sometimes get caught up with the estimated numbers quoted from EC = or others as being totally accurate for some reason, though always = expressed in an estimate or within a certain range. I don=E2=80=99t have = to tell this group that science is based on fact with those facts = extrapolated to give us some idea. Cod numbers, seal numbers, feral cat = numbers etc. to make a comparison. Is the number of birds really that = important other than it=E2=80=99 a lot and getting worse as free-roaming = cats increase? Don=E2=80=99t we think that if we lose 350 million or = 100 or 70 million land birds/small animals to cats in Canada a year, = it=E2=80=99s too many when we can avoid it? Do we always have to = complain about collisions, habitat destruction etc. to lessen the guilt = we have about our pet cat? This is a human issue of attitude and it is important that we become = more responsible for our cats as we have with dogs. Cats are doing what = they are built to hunt extremely effectively and we are contributing to = aiding an invasive species that has a direct impact on our natural = wildlife. Relegating our pet cats to the house doesn=E2=80=99t mean a = life in the closet, and from what I understand from my friends, it = develops a better =E2=80=9Cpet experience=E2=80=9D where they are not = killed, shot at, poisoned, scarred or lost. On the wildlife side, we = humans need to take some responsibility here and quit hiding behind the = , my cat is =E2=80=9Ctoo old=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctoo fat=E2=80=9D, = =E2=80=9Cdoesn=E2=80=99t climb trees=E2=80=9D, is a =E2=80=9Cbush = cat=E2=80=9D, (I=E2=80=99ve heard that one) and =E2=80=9Cnever brings = anything home=E2=80=9D attitude that relieves them of the guilt they = have. If we talk to the trap and neuter people, which I have, they are = experiencing a huge growth of unwanted cats in NS, there are no = resources to deal with it and a public attitude that pretty much = encourages dumping them. Burnside Park in Dartmouth, the TN people say, = has 1000 feral cats at a minimum as the SPCA (located there) has no room = so the people open the car door and abandon them right there. They told = me you could set a trap anywhere there and catch animals daily. I suppose some roaming cats may very well develop a taste for rodents, = and I guess selective enough to not include, chipmunks, young hare, = meadow voles, Star-nosed Moles, amphibians or birds given the = opportunity but we humans seem to believe that cats, in order to enjoy = their lives, need to be outdoors. I am encouraged to see Vancouver take = a stand. ps...can someone tell me why keeping cats inside at night is an answer = to the problem or is that point so the cat doesn=E2=80=99t get hurt as = easily? =20 David Currie=20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7294 / Virus Database: 4522/11472 - Release Date: = 01/24/16 ------=_NextPart_000_0513_01D156F0.598C1EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY dir=3Dltr bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi David C. &=20 All, &nb= sp; =20 Jan 24, 2016</DIV> <DIV> Not being a birder I am on thin ice here but is = it not=20 correct that birds which commonly feed on the ground would be most = susceptible=20 to predation by cats (such as Pidgins and Starlings) whereas birds which = seldom=20 land on the ground to feed should be least affected by cats (such as = Swifts,=20 Warblers and Swallows) ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Are the above ground feeders (Pidgins and=20 Starlings)