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{mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01D156B0.924EDDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Donna & All, Jan 24, 2016 But some people who do not own or use ATVs are also slobs. Should = one therefore conclude that those who don't use ATVs should be excluded = ? As for the other point-- "2. He believes that ATVers will just have to =E2=80=9Cpolice = themselves=E2=80=9D." So far as I am aware, ATVs must have a license plate (Has this changed = ?) Just about everyone carries a camera these days. If an ATV driver is = out of line; anyone present (ATVer or not) should report it with a photo = of the offending vehicle/driver. My overall experience with ATVers has been positive; with the exception = of kids and the very rare 'adults' who have never grown up.=20 A bit of toterance, patience and adult education will go a long way. =20 The entrance to my woodlot is a convenient place for public dumping and = necking. For several months after the start of each necking season I = have to educate a new generation of users by picking up their trash = until they take the hint and take their trash home. Should I demand that = only people too old to walk, or engage in recreational activities, = should be allowed to drive ? Yt Dave Webster ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donna Crossland=20 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:33 AM Subject: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use-some thoughts for moose = and trout Sadly, there is a minority among the ATV groups who have carelessly = littered remote locations, and far worse, can fish out previously = hard-to-get to remote streams with healthy trout populations. Fires = have been carelessly started that led to wildfires (e.g., one that I = have noted on the =E2=80=98fire roads=E2=80=99 recently, which we = taxpayers must pay to put out. There is no =E2=80=98let it = burn=E2=80=99 policy in place, as NS is too small for this concept which = is more appropriate for other ecosystems such as the vast boreal). =20 =20 With respect to the road (or perhaps two roads!!!) that will = apparently be open to ATVers which transects the middle of Medway Lakes = Protected area, our Premier spoke of ATVer impacts directly to some of = us last December, and made two points: 1. There is no money available to hire more Conservation = Officers to police our protected areas to ensure illegal activities do = not occur 2. He believes that ATVers will just have to =E2=80=9Cpolice = themselves=E2=80=9D. =20 I can accept the first statement, but was alarmed by the latter. The = best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. I=E2=80=99ve seen = some of the damage first hand, and I know some of the players involved. = This simply won=E2=80=99t work, despite the good that some folks bring. = Do drivers of vehicles on highways police themselves?? It is obvious = that the ATV groups have placed a great deal of political pressure on NS = politicians to give them access to many places where their travel does = not serve the best interests of the common good. =20 Also, when we think of the remote chance of a rare mainland moose = wondering some of these protected areas, what chance will it have with = ATVs zipping by? It is an unfortunate fact that currently when a moose = is spotted in the southwest, some of the nonconformist and selfish = members of our society come back with a flashlight, call it out, and = that=E2=80=99s the end of the moose. The ATV is a necessary tool to = haul out the meat. This is far less likely to happen if protected areas = are open only to hikers, canoeists, and even those speeding cyclists. =20 =20 Some folks lament about owning an ATV with nowhere to drive it. Why = did they not foresee this issue before making the purchase? But then, = we have hundreds of km of trails and roads for ATVs already. My friends = trailer their ATVs and haul them to wherever they want to explore and go = from there. Pretty soon, the old railway track through the valley will = have all of the bridges replaced and will be open for new traffic. = (I=E2=80=99ll leave my personal opinion on this aside. The track runs = through my property.) My point is that there are many places to ride = ATVs without getting greedy and wanting to muddy up protected areas, = too. =20 =20 We own an ATV and use it mostly for the woodlot, but sometimes we go = on a recreational ride (it=E2=80=99s good to know both sides of the = equation). But lest we forget that some wildlife like trout and moose = pay for our selfishness when we open up still more remote areas to ATVs. = =20 =20 Donna Crossland =20 (I always thought I=E2=80=99d marry a cowboy : ) -to =E2=80=98chime = in=E2=80=99 to the preceding emails, ha! ) =20 =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of John and Nhung Sent: January-23-16 10:55 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use =20 Yeah, the majority of folks in any particular group are sensible, and = a few eejits can ruin the reputation of any group. =20 Sensible folks can educate one another, admit to making mistakes, mend = ways, and still recognize that they can educate other sensible folks. =20 I shouldn=E2=80=99t have said =E2=80=9CCowboy,=E2=80=9D Paul. That = was unfairly labelling a group who doesn=E2=80=99t deserve it. =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of = rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca Sent: January 23, 2016 10:34 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use =20 Well John that has been our observations on several trail groups I've=20 been associated with over the years. ATVers are very helpful.=20 I suspect closer to bigger centers Cowboys may be more plentiful=20 although I was a Cowboy myself in my younger days. The real kind who=20 worked with cows!=20 The worst are bicycles Those folks think they are better than other = humans on=20 the trail and all should bow before them. but I guess its easier to = stop an ATV=20 and get it up to speed than it is with a bicycles. And harde