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<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D156AE.FA1B81E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems to me, Dave, wild bird and wildlife mortality can be ascribed to many= causes. When the mortality is excessive, we should aim to reduce it. Pru= dent driving is part of the solution. Cat control is another necessary com= ponent. From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] = On Behalf Of David & Alison Webster Sent: January 24, 2016 1:31 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" Hi Helene & All, Jan 24, 2016 Bearing in mind that most motor vehicle drivers will not report birdkil= ls or injured birds how would you rate vehicle collisions and cats; vehicle= s less than cats or much more than cats ? Hawks commonly perch near highways. Are they just counting vehicles or = are they waiting for a warm easily caught meal ? Yt, DW, Kentville ----- Original Message ----- From: Helene Van Doninck <mailto:helene.birdvet@gmail.com> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" I agree with Darrell. Having a pet means being responsible for its actions,= and cats bring home only 24% of what they nab. The others are left at the = capture site or eaten. They kill 100s of millions of birds in Canada yearl= y, including species at risk. If any group on here would like a presentatio= n on the science of the bird/ cat issue and ways to keep both safe...let me= know. I personally see at my rehabilitation centre the devastation of outd= oor cats on birds. ..including a nighthawk with a brood patch that the own= ers saw their cat rip one wing off of before I then had to euthanize the bi= rd. Disclaimer...I love cats and have one. ..she is 100% indoors. Helene Helene Van Doninck DVM Cobequid Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre Hilden Nova Scotia www.cwrc.net helene.birdvet@gmail.com 902-893-0253 On Jan 24, 2016 11:52 AM, "David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com> wro= te: Hi Nick & All, Jan 24, 2016 I agree Nick. As you likely are aware, cat is a four letter word on Na= turens for many flawed reasons. Some cats are, without doubt, born hunters = and this trait was at one time highly regarded as in "the mother is a great= mouser". But most current cats are born couch potatoes. In our own yard we have had shortening available year round for 4 (?) y= ears (and over winter for >45 years), within easy leap of an interested cat= , and about 10 neighbourhood cats who wander in and out from time to time. = But I have seen a cat expressing interest in birds only once and it took of= f like a scared cat when I tapped on the window. Apart from the odd Shrew dropped on the doorstep the only cat/other ani= mal interaction I have observed in our yard is our cat being hounded indoor= s many times one summer by a Blue Jay with a nearby nest and out cat being = attacked by a Raccoon who had apparently forgotten to go back home before d= awn. And yes it is best all round to keep cats in at night and harmless to l= et them run in the daytime but punish if necessary undue interest in birds.= This would a wonderful world, that beats even the song of that name, if= our worst problem was cats snoring in some patch of sunlight outdoors. Yt, DW, Kentville ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas Hill <mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy" Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect urban wild= life: a justification based on the precautionary approach. Royal Zoological= Society NSW 169-178) found previously that Cat Density was not a predicto= r of passerine numbers but that distance to bushland and the density of urb= an housing were (both negative factors). In the study cited above (regulat= ion of cat ownership etc), they conclude that "cat welfare is the key issue= in a precautionary approach for protection which respects interests of cat= owners". Cat welfare means keeping the beasts in at night and desexing the= m so that we do not have a feral cat problem. In the country here, people l= et cats breed in outbuildings and this leads to a desperate situation for t= hese cats and for wildlife. Other authors warned that conclusions drawn in Britain over the impact of c= ats (million birds and small mammals killed) were drawn from data on one si= ngle village study in Felmersham. This author (BM Fitzgerald, 1990. is cat = control needed to protect wildlife? Environmental Conservation 17: 168-169)= questioned the extrapolation which we should in a rural area like NS where= birdlife is spread widely over woodland and clearings We have 3 desexed rescue cats that are in at night and well fed. There is a= local impact on mouse, vole and shrew (no birds seen taken yet) but the po= pulation of these animals is greatly increased by the landuse round the hou= se..as was observed in Felmersham (rodents and house sparrows there). Surely all of the following factors need to be considered before we relegat= e the cat to the indoors: woodland edges..plant more trees brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris is a refuge for small bir= ds and voles sustainable agriculture..minimize use of pesticide sprays (see the " Declin= es in insectivorous birds associated w hi levels of neonicotinoid" in Natur= e 511: 341-3 (2014) and http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/1= 40709-birds-insects-pesticides-insecticides-neonicotinoids-silent-spring/) Cats connect people to nature, to animals that still have independence and = aloofness and are not wholly removed from primary adaptations. This makes t= hem attractive in connecting and grounding us but it also is why I might be= hammering away in their defense as they are still predators. The elderly a= re given robotic substitutes for pets which only reinforces our need of con= nection with the rest of the living world. Nick On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Helene Van Doninck <helene.birdvet@gmail.= com> wrote: Nice to see the endorsement for keeping cats indoors! Helene Helene Van Doninck DVM Cobequid Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre 2220 Irwin Lake Rd Brookfield NS Canada B0N1C0 902-893-0253 helene.birdvet@gmail.com <mailto:birdvet@hotmail.com> www.cwrc.net Find us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cobequid-Wildlife-Rehab= ilitation-Centre/134671693239334> and Twitter <https://twitter.com/Cobequi= Wildlife> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com>