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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So cutting&nbsp;a natural F This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D005D8.46CFC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pat & All, Nov 21, 2014 Fortunately there is no law which says one must do this or face = consequences but as Marg pointed out (and I forgot to mention) the tree = gives birds shelter for the remainder of the winter. Some yards have = lots of shelter but our yard is relatively open so the tree does double = duty.=20 Festivals in general likely came into being to add some cheer to an = otherwise dreary and care-worn life. Go back a few generations and = paraffin candles or kerosene would have been considered huge advances = over smoky tallow candles or the faint glow from smoky fat-soaked reeds. = A few more generations back and all heating was by fireplace in which = almost all heat that was generated by fuel went up the chimney; 2nd = floor rooms being heated by warmth from the bare chimney. So those long, = dark cold nights of winter must have been tough and and the promise of = more light per day, even with more cold for some months, would have been = in itself a source of comfort; a corner turned. The celebration of Christmas started as a way to mark the rebirth of = the sun on Dec 25 in the Persian Mithraic religion and other related = eastern religions (Frazer; Golden Bough) complete with a Virgin birth = and images of an infant representing the new sun. As survival of = Christianity sputterd near the end of the third century some clerics = made the astute move of shifting the celebration of Christ's birth from = January 6 to Dec. 25.=20 Why Christmas trees came to be is an interesting question. From = purely personal experience I suspect the tradition gradually developed = from the Northern practice of banking houses in preparation for winter, = the final step being laying several layers of Fir boughs over the earth = bank that sealed chinks near the foundation. The branches trapped = blowing snow so the foundation was snug in a wrap of snow over earth. = Fir was used partly because the smell is agreeable, there are bound to = be some surplus boughs so the idea of hanging some of the surplus = indoors would be almost inevitable. A pure guess on my part and perhaps = entirely incorrect. Merry Upcoming Christmas/ Winter Solstice, Dave Webster, Kentville =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Kelly=20 To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [NatureNS] question to all re a "nature lover's take on = the Xmas tree" I haven't had a tree in the house for more than seven years. I don't = see the point in growing trees to just to cut them down, use them for a = week or two, and then throw them out.=20 You can use my name, etc. if you like. Pat On Nov 20, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Fred Schueler wrote: Quoting N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com>: Would any of you care to write to me to tell me what your take is = on the Christmas tree and if you will buy one, cut one down yourself, = substitute it, do nothing or.... * we've done two things: 1) bound together several sparse-branched = Cedars (Thuja) from dense thickets, or 2) cut an invasive Scots Pine. = Either can be fed to the Goats afterwards, since they love dried Conifer = foliage. As with everything, the goal should be to accomplish at least = two good ends with every action, and these get three ends: = sylviculture/invasives removal, celebration, and feeding livestock. I would appreciate your input and would like the permission to = quote you, first name or full name. * no problem, fred. ------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/ Vulnerable Watersheds - http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/ study our books - http://pinicola.ca/books/index.htm RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0 on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/ "[The] two fundamental steps of scientific thought - the conjecture = and refutation of Popper - have little place in the usual conception of = intelligence. If something is to be dismissed as inadequate, it is = surely not Darwin [, whose] works manifest the activity of a mind = seeking for wisdom, a value which conventional philosophy has largely = abandoned." Ghiselen, 1969. Triumph of the Darwinian Method, p 237. ------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Kelly RR#2 159 Town Road Falmouth NS B0P 1L0 Canada (902) 472-2322 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4213/8604 - Release Date: = 11/21/14 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D005D8.46CFC240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Pat & All, = =20 = Nov=20 21, 2014</DIV> <DIV> Fortunately there is no law which says one must = do this=20 or face consequences but as Marg pointed out (and I forgot to mention) = the tree=20 gives birds shelter for the remainder of the winter. Some yards have = lots of=20 shelter but our yard is relatively open so the tree does double duty. = </DIV> <DIV> Festivals in general likely came into being to = add some=20 cheer to an otherwise dreary and care-worn life. Go back a few = generations and=20 paraffin candles or kerosene would have been considered huge advances = over smoky=20 tallow candles or the faint glow from smoky fat-soaked reeds. A few more = generations back and all heating was by fireplace in which almost all = heat that=20 was generated by fuel went up the chimney; 2nd floor rooms being = heated by=20 warmth from the bare chimney. So those long, dark cold nights of winter = must=20 have been tough and and the promise of more light per day, even with = more cold=20 for some months, would have been in itself a source of comfort; a = corner=20 turned.</DIV> <DIV> The celebration of Christmas started as a way to = mark=20 the rebirth of the sun on Dec 25 in the Persian Mithraic = religion and other=20 related eastern religions (Frazer; Golden Bough) complete with a = Virgin=20 birth and images of an infant representing the new sun. As survival of=20 Christianity sputterd near the end of the third century some clerics = made the=20 astute move of shifting the celebration of Christ's birth from January 6 = to Dec.=20 25. </DIV> <DIV> Why Christmas trees came to be is an interesting = question. From purely personal experience I suspect the tradition = gradually=20 developed from the Northern practice of banking houses in preparation = for=20 winter, the final step being laying several layers of Fir = boughs over=20 the earth bank that sealed chinks near the foundation. The branches = trapped=20 blowing snow so the foundation was snug in a wrap of snow = over earth.=20 Fir was used partly because the smell is agreeable, there are = bound to be=20 some surplus boughs so the idea of hanging some of the surplus = indoors=20 would be almost inevitable. A pure guess on my part and perhaps entirely = incorrect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Merry Upcoming Christmas/ Winter Solstice, Dave Webster, = Kentville</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DPatrick.Kelly@Dal.Ca = href=3D"mailto:Patrick.Kelly@Dal.Ca">Patrick=20 Kelly</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>"><naturens@chebucto.ns.ca><= /A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 21, 2014 = 4:00=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] = question to all=20 re a "nature lover's take on the Xmas tree"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I haven't had a tree in the house for more than seven = years. I=20 don't see the point in growing trees to just to cut them down, use = them for a=20 week or two, and then throw them out.=20 <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>You can use my name, etc. if you like.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Pat</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Nov 20, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Fred Schueler wrote:</DIV><BR=20 class=3DApple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV>Quoting N Robinson <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:nrobbyn@gmail.com">nrobbyn@gmail.com</A>>:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Would any of you care to write to me to = tell me=20 what your take is on the<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Christmas tree and if you will buy one, = cut one=20 down yourself, substitute<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">it, do nothing = or....<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*=20 we've done two things: 1) bound together several sparse-branched = Cedars=20 (Thuja) from dense thickets, or 2) cut an invasive Scots Pine. = Either can be=20 fed to the Goats afterwards, since they love dried Conifer foliage. = As with=20 everything, the goal should be to accomplish at least two good ends = with=20 every action, and these get three ends: sylviculture/invasives = removal,=20 celebration, and feeding livestock.<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I would appreciate your input and would = like the=20 permission to quote you,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">first name or full = name.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>* no=20 = problem,<BR><BR>fred.<BR>------------------------------------------------= ------------<BR> Fre= derick=20 W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad<BR>Daily Paintings - <A=20 = href=3D"http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/">http://karstaddailypa= intings.blogspot.com/</A><BR>Vulnerable=20 Watersheds - <A=20 = href=3D"http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/">http://vulnerablewaters.blo= gspot.ca/</A><BR> study=20 our books - <A=20 = href=3D"http://pinicola.ca/books/index.htm">http://pinicola.ca/books/inde= x.htm</A><BR> RR#2=20 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0<BR> on the Smiths = Falls=20 Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W<BR> (613)258-3107 = <bckcdb at istar.ca> <A=20 href=3D"http://pinicola.ca/">http://pinicola.ca/</A><BR>"[The] two = fundamental=20 steps of scientific thought - the conjecture and refutation of = Popper - have=20 little place in the usual conception of intelligence. If something = is to be=20 dismissed as inadequate, it is surely not Darwin [, whose] works = manifest=20 the activity of a mind seeking for wisdom, a value which = conventional=20 philosophy has largely abandoned." Ghiselen, 1969. Triumph of the = Darwinian=20 Method, p=20 = 237.<BR>------------------------------------------------------------<BR><= BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; = BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"=20 class=3DApple-style-span><SPAN=20 style=3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; = BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"=20 class=3DApple-style-span> <DIV=20 style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><SPAN=20 style=3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; = BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"=20 class=3DApple-style-span> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Courier" size=3D3=20 face=3DCourier><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline>Patrick = Kelly</FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Courier" size=3D3=20 face=3DCourier>RR#2<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> <SPAN=20 class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN>159 Town = Road</FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Courier" size=3D3=20 face=3DCourier>Falmouth NS<SPAN = class=3DApple-converted-space> <SPAN=20 class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN>B0P 1L0</FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Courier" size=3D3=20 face=3DCourier>Canada</FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; FONT: 12px = Courier"><BR></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Courier" size=3D3=20 face=3DCourier>(902)=20 472-2322</FONT></P></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV><A></A> <P align=3Dleft color=3D"#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this=20 message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20 href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2015.0.5577 / = Virus=20 Database: 4213/8604 - Release Date: = 11/21/14</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D005D8.46CFC240--
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