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liant.net<br>To&#58=3B naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br><br><div& --Apple-Mail-1--525379343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Wayne for a clear statement about "Non- Partisan Activities" . The gutting of the Federal Fisheries Act is a tragic example of how = business interests trump fish conservation and environmental concerns = simultaneously. First the Cod. Then Global Ecosystems. Paul Ruggles. On 2014-10-19, at 12:15 AM, Wayne P. Neily wrote: > The idea of excluding groups that lobby from being charitable = organizations was originally to discourage them from lobbying for = projects of private interest or from which some one or some business = could profit at the expense of the public. Of course, various = governments have broadened this concept to include any advocacy of = positions they disagreed with, but prior to the current federal = government, those advocating environmental protection or health were = considered to be lobbying in the public interest, and were not = threatened beyond the mention of this possibility if a government's pet = projects were threatened. Private interests often referred to us as = 'special interest groups", in contrast with public interest groups, and = shallow media coverage has often gone along with this, allowing = proponents of environmentally unsound projects or policies (often the = governments that must approve or deny them) to ensure that = environmentalists are treated as being unimportant in comparison to = those investing money in such projects. This has become more serious in = recent years in Canada because of the weakening of our federal = environmental impact assessment process in the name of reducing "red = tape". >=20 > Ironically, the greatest tax breaks of all go to the donors to most = partisan of organizations - the political parties. This may help = explain the rise in Green Parties in many parts of the world. >=20 > Wayne Neily > Tremont, N. S. >=20 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:48:13 -0300 > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities > From: jim.edsall@bellaliant.net > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >=20 > How is this any different for telling churches they can't advocate for = the poor and social justice >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jim Edsall > Check out my new website at http://jimedsall.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>=20 > Date: 10-17-2014 9:02 PM (GMT-04:00)=20 > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20 > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi John & All, Oct 17, 2014 > This is one of those topics that touches just about everything in = one=20 > way or another. But I will be brief. >=20 > With respect to the two-way choice I would accept both as valid. >=20 > I may be repeating myself but, on the subject of choice: freedom = of=20 > thought and expression without fear of retaliation, provided it does = not=20 > infringe on similar rights of others, has been throughout the history = of=20 > humanity a very rare condition. Our current immense prosperity is in = large=20 > measure a consequence of the almost unique conditions that gradually=20= > developed over the last five centuries in the Western world. >=20 > On the other hand, status as a registered charity for tax purposes = is a=20 > small bone that is offered to restrain freedom of choice. It seems = obvious=20 > that a Naturalist Organization would advocate on behalf of the natural = world=20 > and perhaps the best way to maintain that freedom would be to = de-register=20 > the organization; if necessary by a name change. >=20 > Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "John and Nhung" <nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> > To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:18 PM > Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities >=20 >=20 > > Either we have some well-intentioned, bright, but overly na=EFve > > decision-makers who need more exposure to reality before they assume = the > > responsibilities they carry, or we have a pathological aversion to > > inconvenient truths. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] > > On Behalf Of Burkhard Plache > > Sent: October-17-14 11:26 AM > > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > > Subject: [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities > > > > Please read the following piece by CBC about an Ontario Field = Naturalist > > Club. > > Revenue Canada considers their activities partisan ant threatens to > > reconsider their tax exempt status. > > > > = http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/revenue-canada-targets-birdwatchers-for-po= li > > tical-activity-1.2799546 > > > > Not cheered, > > Burkhard > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8390 - Release Date: = 10/14/14 > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--525379343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 <html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://1/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal = 18px/normal Helvetica; ">Thanks Wayne for a clear statement about "Non- = Partisan Activities" .</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal = 18px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; ">The gutting of the Federal = Fisheries Act is a tragic example of how business interests trump fish = conservation and environmental concerns simultaneously.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; = "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal = 18px/normal Helvetica; ">First the Cod. Then Global = Ecosystems.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal = 18px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; ">Paul Ruggles.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; = "><br></div><div><div>On 2014-10-19, at 12:15 AM, Wayne P. Neily = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"hmmessage" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Calibri; "><div dir=3D"ltr"> The idea of = excluding groups that lobby from being charitable organizations was = originally to discourage them from lobbying for projects of private = interest or from which some one or some business could profit at the = expense of the public. Of course, various governments have = broadened this concept to include any advocacy of positions they = disagreed with, but prior to the current federal government, those = advocating environmental protection or health were considered to be = lobbying in the public interest, and were not threatened beyond the = mention of this possibility if a government's pet projects were = threatened. Private interests often referred to us as = 'special interest groups", in contrast with public interest groups, and = shallow media coverage has often gone along with this, allowing = proponents of environmentally unsound projects or policies (often the = governments that must approve or deny them) to ensure that = environmentalists are treated as being unimportant in comparison to = those investing money in such projects. This has become more = serious in recent years in Canada because of the weakening of our = federal environmental impact assessment process in the name of reducing = "red tape".<br><br>Ironically, the greatest tax breaks of all go to the = donors to most partisan of organizations - the political = parties. This may help explain the rise in Green Parties in = many parts of the world.<br><br>Wayne Neily<br>Tremont, N. = S.<br><br><hr>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:48:13 -0300<br>Subject: Re: = [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities<br>From:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:jim.edsall@bellaliant.net">jim.edsall@bellaliant.net</a><br= >To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br><br= ><div>How is this any different for telling churches they can't advocate = for the poor and social = justice</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><= div><div style=3D"font-size: 16px; ">Jim Edsall<br>Check out my new = website at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"http://jimedsall.com">http://jimedsall.com</a></div></div><br><br>= <br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: David & Alison = Webster <<a = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</a>><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Date: 10-17-2014 9:02 = PM (GMT-04:00)<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] = Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Hi John & = All, &nbs= p; Oct = 17, 2014<br> This is one of those topics that touches = just about everything in one<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>way or another. But I = will be brief.<br><br> With respect to the two-way = choice I would accept both as valid.<br><br> I may be = repeating myself but, on the subject of choice: freedom of<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>thought and expression = without fear of retaliation, provided it does not<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>infringe on similar = rights of others, has been throughout the history of<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>humanity a very rare = condition. Our current immense prosperity is in large<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>measure a consequence = of the almost unique conditions that gradually<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>developed over the last = five centuries in the Western world.<br><br> On the = other hand, status as a registered charity for tax purposes is a<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>small bone that is = offered to restrain freedom of choice. It seems obvious<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>that a Naturalist = Organization would advocate on behalf of the natural world<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>and perhaps the best = way to maintain that freedom would be to de-register<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>the organization; if = necessary by a name change.<br><br>Yt, Dave Webster, = Kentville<br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>From: "John and Nhung" = <<a = href=3D"mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca">nhungjohn@eastlink.ca</a>><br>To:= <<a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br= >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:18 PM<br>Subject: RE: [NatureNS] = Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan Activities<br><br><br>> Either we = have some well-intentioned, bright, but overly na=EFve<br>> = decision-makers who need more exposure to reality before they assume = the<br>> responsibilities they carry, or we have a pathological = aversion to<br>> inconvenient truths.<br>><br>> -----Original = Message-----<br>> From:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.c= a</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:naturens-owner@chebuc= to.ns.ca]<br>> On Behalf Of Burkhard Plache<br>> Sent: = October-17-14 11:26 AM<br>> To:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br>>= ; Subject: [NatureNS] Revenue Canada and Non-Partisan = Activities<br>><br>> Please read the following piece by CBC about = an Ontario Field Naturalist<br>> Club.<br>> Revenue Canada = considers their activities partisan ant threatens to<br>> reconsider = their tax exempt status.<br>><br>><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/revenue-canada-targets-birdwatcher= s-for-poli">http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/revenue-canada-targets-birdwat= chers-for-poli</a><br>> tical-activity-1.2799546<br>><br>> Not = cheered,<br>> Burkhard<br>><br>><br>> -----<br>> No virus = found in this message.<br>> Checked by AVG -<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>> Version: 2014.0.4765 = / Virus Database: 4040/8390 - Release Date: 10/14/14<br>><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br></div></div></blockqu= ote></div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-1--525379343--
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