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> so On 6/24/2014 9:58 AM, Keith Lowe wrote: > Seriously, you're condoning people removing animals from Miner's Marsh so > their kid can connect with nature better? What about all the sane people who > would prefer that they and their kids connect nature at marsh instead? * I'm not saying this is a good idea at that particular site - I'm just saying that the general arbitrary prohibition of collecting and handling Animals is a real problem because we know that so many of us started in nature appreciation by making collections or temporarily keeping creatures in ways that are now illegal or considered inappropriate. Beyond keeping herps, we know that there's a catastrophic decline in interest in the taxa that can only be studied in collected specimens - what's the solution? fred. =============================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] > On Behalf Of Fred Schueler > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:24 AM > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... > > on June-23-14 10:00 PM *cpepper@ymail.com wrote: > >> Sooo, how much of David Webster's bullshit do we have to put up with >> before we can remove him from the list? > > * it's hard to see this as bullshit - it's one of the fundamental problems > facing naturalists and nature in these latter days. Both kids and society > suffer from Nature Appreciation Deficit Disorder, and from the consequences > the grotesque exploitation of the Earth by those afflicted with NADD. It's a > big part of the job of naturalists to reverse this, and temporarily holding > Turtles in captivity is one of the classic ways of communing with nature and > getting started with science - > http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/artful-amoeba/2014/06/20/the-slow-painfu > l-decline-of-natural-history-and-its-unintended-consequences/?WT.mc_id=SA_sh > aretool_Twitter > and > http://www.npr.org/2014/06/18/318307574/is-collecting-animals-for-science-a- > noble-mission-or-a-threat > and > http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/christophermajka/2014/06/mary-majka-ninety-y > ears-conservation-and-environmentalism > - just to cite a few links open on my browser at the moment. > > fred. > ========================================================== > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> *From: *David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com >> <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>> >> >> *Sender: *naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca >> <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> >> >> *Date: *Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:16:31 -0300 >> >> *To: *<naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>> >> >> *ReplyTo: *naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... >> >> Hi All, June 23, 2014 >> >> I have a problem with over zealous regulation and over zealous >> enforcement. If a park operates on a strickly 'look but don't touch >> basis' then protection may be complete but of short duration. This >> applies especially now when many kids are in love with the latest >> game/technology and bored by anything natural (unless it is packaged >> in >> 30 second clips to be enjoyed in the comfort of a chair at home). >> >> Or, expressed another way, Pogo and his friends will over the >> long haul be protected by the child who takes a turtle home and >> thereby learns to respect the natural world. >> >> Miner' s Marsh is subject to severe floods from time to time. And >> as more esker segments and other coarse glacial deposits upstream are >> mined for sand and gravel this flow instability is bound to increase. >> I suspect that many Miner's Marsh Painted Turtles will be swept out to >> sea whenever we have late floods. >> >> John Muir as a boy, when grounded to home base, sometimes amused >> himself by throwing stones at cats or, in one instance, dropping one >> out of a high window. Somehow this wild boy turned out ok, mainly >> because he was wild. >> >> They hang the man and flog the woman >> >> who steals the goose from off the common >> >> but let the greater criminal loose >> >> who steals the common from the goose. >> >> Yt, DW, Kentville >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:*John and Nhung <mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> >> >> *To:*naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >> >> *Sent:*Monday, June 23, 2014 11:11 AM >> >> *Subject:*RE: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... >> >> Regarding the kid and the turtle, part of growing up is >> internalizing the title of that Rolling Stones song: "You can't >> always get what you want." >> >> The appropriate response for a parent to make is, "No, you can't. >> [Insert reason.] Get over it." >> >> Looks as if a lot of public education is needed. It's very >> troubling if authorities hesitate to impose penalties because of >> fear of public reaction. >> >> *From:*naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca >> <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> >> [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of *James Churchill >> *Sent:* June-23-14 9:36 AM >> *To:* naturens >> *Subject:* [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... >> >> hi folks, >> >> dogs - >> >> Others might have noticed this but there are lots of off-leash dogs >> at the Marsh these days. This morning a number of them were chasing >> ducks in the water. There are currently broods of Wood Ducks, >> Mallards and Pied-billed Grebes (2 pairs) ha