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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', ser This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CDD925.386D31B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your last sentence, "we are on a crash course with biological and ecological reality," says it all. Ecologies of scale can intercept economies of scale, with very painful results. Don't know why "we" don't get that. From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Eye Mac Sent: December-13-12 11:17 AM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Down our throats: Fed-up with salmon feedlots Hi John, On 2012-12-12, at 10:26 PM, John and Nhung wrote: Went through your article Chris, and you have concisely covered the reservations on salmonid cage culture as well as anyone I've read. Thanks, very kind of you to say so. By the way, most of my working life was/ has been spent on aquaculture research development in poorer societies, with a little initial work on mollusc culture in this corner of the world. I got into it because (a)I saw it as a way to reduce fishing pressure on wild stocks, and (b) it has potential to feed hungry people. So, a few sidebars from me: n The food chain bit in your article is why I was never interested in salmonid culture of any type. They are all carnivorous. Ya gotta catch fish to feed fish, and that doesn't make environmental sense to me. We should be eating those trash fish, not salmon. However, that isn't gonna change unless we get a lot poorer. n The corollary to this is that salmon are expensive to raise, so will never be an important food for poor people. n Personally, the presence of a couple of cages in an embayment doesn't bother me, but the apparent ease with which such an operation can expand many-fold and fast scares the hell out of me. See below. n Re. genetic contamination: (a) I always thought the idea of raising Atlantic salmon on the west coast was a terrible one, because of the potential for escape, reproduction, and competition with native species. (b) I have heard the alarms raised about escapes of Atlantic salmon on this coast and the potential to contaminate existing stocks, and am more ambivalent here. Every species (and every population) evolves, through natural selection on a genetically diverse population. If the genes of escapees get introduced into a wild Atlantic Salmon stock, I kind of suspect natural selection will operate, as usual. I have listened to the arguments, but am still not very alarmed. I may be missing something, but personally find there are plenty of more convincing arguments to raise cautions against large-scale salmonid cage culture. It's difficult to say unless one conducts some research to determine how biologically and behaviourally different farmed salmon are from wild populations. Perhaps not that much, in which case it may not be that significant an issue. The bigger concern, as I point out in this article, is if trans-genic fish with genes from chinook salmon and ocean pout are released into the wild, and then these genes end up infecting natural populations. Do we really want such a thing to happen? It's fine to have fish that grow faster, are more disease resistant and more cold tolerant, but what if this genetic modification ends up producing some other undesirable effects? Once introduced into wild populations there may then be no way back. n To me, the scariest part of your article was the last bit, re. trade agreements. I don't know the details, but don't governments have a fundamental duty to protect our long-term interests? One would think/hope so. Corporations have a hard time restraining themselves. The consequence is to incessantly grow the business, make it larger, make it more profitable, reduce inefficiencies. This results in bigger farms, more fish, faster growing times. Good is never enough, it must be better. Shareholders are always deemed to want profit to increase. Such unending growth is the ideology of cancer. We need governments with intestinal fortitude that will strictly regulate the conduct of corporations. Otherwise, we are on a crash course with biological and ecological reality. Cheers! Chris Christopher Majka - writer, Rabble.ca Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Email: c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/christophermajka The significant problems of our time cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. - Albert Einstein ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CDD925.386D31B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><META = HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 14 = (filtered medium)"><base href=3D"x-msg://559/"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.apple-style-span {mso-style-name:apple-style-span;} span.apple-converted-space {mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-CA link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Your last sentence, “</span>we are on a crash course with = biological and ecological reality,” <span = style=3D'font-size:11.0