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& ---2114655128-447054455-1339592659=:44540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Dave - Salmon number on the Miramichi have never been higher=0Aand reco= rds go back maybe 50 years. Newfoundland rivers and Quebec Rivers=A0=0Aalso= . All on the internet but it takes time to dig them out - easier to express= opinions=0Athan to get the facts - LOL=0AThe numbers are a function of 2 m= ain factors - the number of fish available to return=0Aand the amount of wa= ter in the rivers plus the interaction between the two and variables.=0Asuc= h as the spring tides corresponding to the major returns, rain at that time= .=0AOn the Lahave the counter is at Morgan Falls at New Germany. Only the f= ish that=0Ago up the falls are counted - fish that go up other branchs or s= tay in the main river=0Adon't make the count so the count at Morgan Falls i= s a good indicator of the total=0Areturn but is not the number of fish ente= ring the river. The counter used to be open to the=A0=0Apublic and had a te= lephone number that gave the up to date count. Perhaps will be=0Athis year = also but I haven't visited or called lately.=0ACounters are kept at many ot= her rivers in Atlantic Canada - all on the www.=0AThis year looks like the = counts will be down - not for lack of fish but lack of water.=0AWe definite= ly need a few good rains - perhaps the farmers should get the hay =A0up soo= n!=0AHave a nice spring=0APaul=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0A From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>=0ATo: naturens@chebuc= to.ns.ca =0ASent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: [NatureN= S] Farmed Salmon=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Paul, Jim=A0& All,=A0=A0=A0 =0A=A0=A0=A0 = =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 June =0A12, 2012=0A=A0=A0=A0 If I understand = you correctly Paul, the =0Aruns on the NB rivers that empty into the Gulf o= f SL were unusually high last =0Ayear. Have I got that straight ? If so the= n that is very good news. How far back =0Ado the records go ? =0A=A0=0A=A0= =A0=A0 Drawing on memory, all of the famous Salmon =0Arivers in NB=A0emptie= d into the Gulf. For many years, every road end along =0AFundy beaches had = a weir and salmon were caught. As weir owners died these weir =0Arights die= d with them in most cases (some owners fought and managed to have them =0Ap= assed on I think), as I recall, on the assumption that weir catches were = =0Aimpacting salmon runs. =0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Everything I know about Salmon= and =0Aaquaculture=A0could be printed on a thumbnail but when I hear peopl= e asking =0Ato have=A0Salmon farms=A0moved inland to=A0save wild Salmon=A0o= r the =0ARockies moved east so Saskatchewan won't be so flat, I have a feel= ing that my =0Athumbnail counts as an ace.=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Building Salmo= n ponds on land near the =0Acoast, maintaining adequate O2levels, =0Afilter= ing out the waste and composting this waste=A0would be energy =0Aintensive,= at a time when energy conservation should be a top priority, =0Aresources = intensive (for e.g. pond linings, pumps, retaining walls, waste water =0Aco= nduits),=A0the land for this would cost a bundle and those who own =0Aexpen= sive costal property might not welcome industrial ponds next door=A0and =0A= the additional cost=A0might well put another industry out of business. We = =0Aneed jobs, food and tax revenue so solutions have to be realistic.=0A=A0= =0AMy 2 cents as they say, rounded up to a nickle =0Anow.=0ADave Webster, K= entville=0A=A0=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Paul MacDonald =0A>= To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:30 =0AAM=0A>= Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Dave=0A>Good points yo= u bring out.=0A>The whole question has brought out people with lots of opi= nions=0A>but with very little knowledge. But that never stops the Media ty= pes - LOL!=0A>The wild salmon population in the Gulf of St Lawrence rivers = was at an all time=0A>record as long as records were kept. That was last y= ear. Newfoundland rivers the=0A>same with some exceptions as were European= Rivers.=0A>A couple of rivers in Maine had large runs but the Bay of Fundy= and Atlantic Coast=0A>rivers were low. All =A0the while the Natives and D= OF play their chess game so its=0A>hard to know if the population is going= up, down or sideways.=0A>Nova =A0Scotia Rivers have big problems - the Me= rsey with dams, the Lahave with chain=0A>picheral and so on but instead of= trying to solve these problems the media want=A0=0A>to wage war on the Fi= sh Farms - go figure - guess they want something sexy=0A>where they can fi= nd a villian. Sure not going to help the fish.=0A>Have a nice day=0A>Paul= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: = David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>=0A>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca= =0A>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:34:16 PM=0A>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Fa= rmed Salmon=0A>=0A>Hi Sandy & All,=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 June 11, 2012=0A>=A0 The =0A question that nags is: Would salmon have = declined to the same extent (or =0A nearly the same) if there had been no = aquaculture ?=0A>=0A>=A0 Public =0A pressure (perhaps misinformed pressure= ) may force the industry to undergo a =0A modern version of ordeal by wate= r; the original being you are innocent if you =0A sink and drown but if yo= u rise alive to the surface then you are guilty and =0A burned at the stak= e. So this is not just an academic question.=0A>=0A>=A0 =0A Drawing on mem= ory, e.g. poor salmon runs in some NB rivers as early as 1950 =0A led to a= program to control Mergansers way before farmed salmon (I think). =0A Als= o salmon runs along the South and Eastern shore have been in decline for 5 = =0A decades or more. how can aquaculture have caused this ? Have acid rain= and =0A overfishing in the ocean had no effects after all ?=0A>=0A>=A0 As= suming =0A that sea lice