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I have success with something similar. I take a piece of shiny, slippery =
sheet metal and wrap it around a dead tree. The racoons (and squirrels) =
can=E2=80=99t climb up. But it has to be a tree with enough =
circumference that the racoons cannot wrap their legs around it. Then =
hang your feeders from the dead branches of the tree and like David =
says, further than jumping distance from another tree; the distance =
depending on which animals you are trying to discourage. The racoons =
still come to the feeder at night, but they are limited to feeding on =
what has fallen to the ground during the day.
A few other things I do to co-exist with racoons:
There is one deterrent that works very well for protecting plantings =
from being dug up by racoons or making racoons move their toilets =
somewhere else than your front yard (which is a human health hazard). =
Racoons hate to get their body parts, especially their snout and private =
parts, scratched. So I put a generous portion of wild rose stems or =
thistles over anything I don=E2=80=99t want racoons to get into. It =
works like a charm.
And finally, since I burn wood for heat, I throw a cup of ashes over any =
fresh compost. It seems to be enough to discourage racoons from making =
an effort to get into the composter. If one has acidic soil, as I do, it =
is good for the compost as well I=E2=80=99m told. And I never put =
seafood shells in my compost since the racoons can smell them and dig =
them out of a garden many years after they were first introduced to the =
compost.
The ashes on compost doesn=E2=80=99t work for bears=E2=80=A6they =
don=E2=80=99t seem to mind a mouth full of ashes. However, the ashes may =
make it more difficult for bears to find your compost.
=20
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of David Hughes
Sent: November 3, 2011 19:09
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: [NatureNS] A solution for racoons (was Relocating Wildlife??)
=20
My wife bought me a squirrel and racoon proof feeder stand for my =
birthday and it has defeated the local raiders. The secret is the height =
that puts the feeders out of reach and a large torpedo shaped baffle =
suspended by springs on the pole that prevents climbing. After a few =
weeks the racoons stopped trying. The stand is very sturdy, hold up to 8 =
feeders, and has an attached auger that plants it firmly in the ground.
=20
It is available at For the Birds in Mahone Bay. You can check it out on =
their web site. It isn't cheap and needs to be placed about 10 feet away =
from the trees to prevent jumping, but will save on seed, feeders, bent =
poles and time. Plus we don't have to listen to racoon squables in the =
middle of the night anymore.
=20
Personally, I like the squirrels and we keep a feeder suspended from a =
nearby tree. They can leap to it, but the racoons can't. =20
David
=20
Sent from my iPod
On 2011-11-03, at 5:30 PM, Eleanor Lindsay <kelindsay@eastlink.ca> =
wrote:
Taking feeders in at night is indeed totally effective; It is initially =
a nuisance that ultimately becomes the normal routine of bird feeding - =
and it certainly beats the extreme nuisance/cost of hunting =
for/replacing lost feeders.
Eleanor Lindsay
On 02/11/2011 11:54 PM, Helene Van Doninck wrote:=20
Hi Jeff, I agree with the responses you featured in highlighted text in
your email. Relocated animals are taken from their food source and
territory, have no idea where the food/good habitat in their new place ,
and are often driven from the new territory by existing animals. Many of
them simply try to make their way back to their old territory, =
constantly
having negative interaction with animals whose territory they cross. =
Fact:
many relocated animals will not survive. Also, depending on the time of
year, you may be leaving orphans. There is also not a lot of open =
territory
left for these animals.
=20
The main thing to consider though...is the reason they are hanging =
around
in the first place. Most times ( as in your situation with feeders, =
suet,
nesting sites), there is an attractant that keeps them coming back. =
Often
trying to figure out why they are there and dealing with that issue will
make them leave. Raccoons are largely nocturnal and follow predictable
patterns each night based on previous experience. If they know you have
food available or a desirable nesting place ,they will return. If you =
take
your feeders in at night and repair the spots where they gain access to
nest sites, they will move on. Wildlife solutions start with home =
repair,
truly. Also simply removing a few "problem" animals is not going to =
solve
anything. If raccoon A figures out you have a good spot and you remove =
him,
that territory is opened up to raccoon B who undoubtedly will find the
same bonanza of food/territory. Remove Raccoon B and C moves in.and so =
on.
There are humane ways to discourage most wildlife, and they often start
with removing the attractant and setting up barriers to accessing =
desirable
spaces ( i.e. fix the hole in your fascia, soffit, etc).
=20
Other thoughts. ..during nesting season, the most common wildlife =
invasion
time..they are looking for warm, dark, quiet places to have their =
litters.
Make it NOT warm dark and quiet and they will usually leave with their
young ( one at a time) over a 24-48 hour period. Some suggestions =
include
illuminating the area with a light or spot light..and placing a radio on =
a
talk station playing LOUDLY during their most active time...that will
usually make them leave. Most animals have alternate den sites and can
relocate the family there. If anyone has particular issues where I can =
help
advise on humane solutions to wildlife interaction issues, please call =
or
email me and I will see what I can do. Also, try to have a little =
empathy
where you can, habitat loss means many of these animals don't have a lot =
of
options. Try to work with them instead of always wanting to get rid of
them. There are ways to do this.
=20
thanks
=20
Helene
=20
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Jeff Hiltz <mailto:4x4play@gmail.com> =
<4x4play@gmail.com> wrote:
=20
I'm just curious on the good, the bad and the ugly of relocating =
wildlife.
=20
Last year we were having issues with Raccoon's around our residence here
in Springhill, a family of Raccoon's had taken up residence in our
neighbor's garage. They had dug a tunnel and ripped a part of the garage
wall down and where living in my neighbor's old car that he has plans =
for
restoration in the future. Then in the evening the raccoon's were =
stealing
our suet's, suet baskets and knocking our feeders down and being an =
overall
nuisance.
=20
Frustrated with the damage that they had done to his garage and old car,
my neighbor told me that he had plans to kill the Raccoon's. After =
hearing
this and my wife and I being compassionate nature and wildlife lovers, I
told my neighbor that I will get a live trap from DNR and relocate them =
to
the banks of a river about 5 km outside of town.
=20
I waited until the raccoon's were grown enough that they were out and
fending for themselves, then set the trap up in the backyard and was
catching and relocating one raccoon a night. I did this for two weeks
relocating nine raccoon's until I wasn't finding any more in the trap =
and
not seeing anymore raccoon's around our yards.
=20
My neighbor was happy and filled the hole and mended his garage and =
hasn't
had a problem since.
=20
On a message board that I frequent often I told my story of the =
raccoon's
and my relocating them. Then just recently another member of the forum =
was
telling us how he was dealing with a couple raccoon's which got one of =
the
other members thinking about reason's raccoon's should not be relocated, =
he
seems to have some very valid points but even so, I would not have the
heart to allow my neighbor to kill them or to take them somewhere that
will euthanize them.
=20
I know this forum has some very well educated nature and wildlife =
persons
and I would love to hear what the experts think.
=20
Here is the message that the other message board member wrote:
=20
*Why is it sometimes necessary to euthanize a nuisance animal that has
been trapped rather than releasing back to the =E2=80=9Cwild?=E2=80=9D*
=20
There are several biological reasons why it=E2=80=99s generally not a =
good idea to
move wildlife to new areas. It is difficult to find rural areas without =
any
humans nearby. And moving wildlife only puts it into another =
animal=E2=80=99s
territory, which can create stress, injury and even death. Other reasons
include the following:
1) Relocation can be stressful to wild animals. They may experience
elevated heart rates and breathing rates, high blood pressure, acute
changes in blood chemistry and depressed appetites. These factors, in =
turn,
may make them more vulnerable to disease or predation.
2) Relocated animals have no prior experience with their new homes, =
which
immediately puts them at a disadvantage for finding food and shelter. =
Many
wildlife species, such as bobcats, foxes, opossums and raccoons, are =
common
and widespread. That means when they become nuisance animals there is no
place to relocate them that doesn=E2=80=99t already have established =
populations of
those animals.
3) Animals released in a new territory are often out-competed for food =
and
shelter by resident animals.
4) Relocating nuisance animals can increase the spread of disease. In =
some
cases, animals become nuisances when they get sick because they look for
easy sources of food and may become less fearful of people. Just as we
humans spread disease among our populations by traveling, animals can =
bring
diseases into new areas when they are relocated, thus affecting the
resident animal populations.
5) Animals that are relocated often leave the area where they are
released. Relocated animals may wander for miles, leading to further
interactions with wildlife and people.
=20
I'm not saying we should just randomly go about trapping and killing
everything. But in situations where there are problem wildlife I'd =
prefer
to have them euthanized than released to a likely slow painful death of
starvation, disease or wounds from fights.
=20
That's my take on it.
=20
Kristian
=20
Thank you!!
=20
Sincerely!
Jeff in Springhill
=20
=20
=20
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have success with something similar. I take a piece of shiny, =
slippery sheet metal and wrap it around a dead tree. The racoons (and =
squirrels) can=E2=80=99t climb up. But it has to be a tree with enough =
circumference that the racoons cannot wrap their legs around it. Then =
hang your feeders from the dead branches of the tree and like David =
says, further than jumping distance from another tree; the distance =
depending on which animals you are trying to discourage. The racoons =
still come to the feeder at night, but they are limited to feeding on =
what has fallen to the ground during the day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A few other things I do to co-exist with =
racoons:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is one deterrent that works very well for protecting plantings =
from being dug up by racoons or making racoons move their toilets =
somewhere else than your front yard (which is a human health hazard). =
Racoons hate to get their body parts, especially their snout and private =
parts, scratched. So I put a generous portion of wild rose stems or =
thistles over anything I don=E2=80=99t want racoons to get into. It =
works like a charm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And finally, since I burn wood for heat, I throw a cup of ashes over =
any fresh compost. It seems to be enough to discourage racoons from =
making an effort to get into the composter. If one has acidic soil, as I =
do, it is good for the compost as well I=E2=80=99m told. And I never put =
seafood shells in my compost since the racoons can smell them and dig =
them out of a garden many years after they were first introduced to the =
compost.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The ashes on compost doesn=E2=80=99t work for bears=E2=80=A6they =
don=E2=80=99t seem to mind a mouth full of ashes. However, the ashes may =
make it more difficult for bears to find your =
compost.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Hughes<br><b>Sent:</b> November 3, 2011 =
19:09<br><b>To:</b> naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[NatureNS] A solution for racoons (was Relocating =
Wildlife??)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My wife =
bought me a squirrel and racoon proof feeder stand for my birthday and =
it has defeated the local raiders. The secret is the height that puts =
the feeders out of reach and a large torpedo shaped baffle suspended by =
springs on the pole that prevents climbing. After a few weeks the =
racoons stopped trying. The stand is very sturdy, hold up to 8 feeders, =
and has an attached auger that plants it firmly in the =
ground.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is available at For the Birds in Mahone Bay. You =
can check it out on their web site. It isn't cheap and needs to be =
placed about 10 feet away from the trees to prevent jumping, but will =
save on seed, feeders, bent poles and time. Plus we don't have to listen =
to racoon squables in the middle of the night =
anymore.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Personally, I like the squirrels and we =
keep a feeder suspended from a nearby tree. They can leap to it, but the =
racoons can't. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPod<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 2011-11-03, at 5:30 PM, Eleanor =
Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kelindsay@eastlink.ca">kelindsay@eastlink.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Taking feeders in at =
</span>night is indeed totally effective; It is initially a nuisance =
that ultimately becomes the normal routine of bird feeding - and it =
certainly beats the extreme nuisance/cost of hunting for/replacing lost =
feeders.<br><br>Eleanor Lindsay<br><br><br>On 02/11/2011 11:54 PM, =
Helene Van Doninck wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>Hi Jeff, I agree with the =
responses you featured in highlighted text in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>your =
email. Relocated animals are taken from their food source =
and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>territory, have no idea where the food/good =
habitat in their new place ,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and are often driven =
from the new territory by existing animals. Many =
of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>them simply try to make their way back to their =
old territory, constantly<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>having negative =
interaction with animals whose territory they cross. =
Fact:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>many relocated animals will not survive. =
Also, depending on the time of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>year, you may be =
leaving orphans. There is also not a lot of open =
territory<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>left for these =
animals.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The main thing =
to consider though...is the reason they are hanging =
around<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>in the first place. Most times ( as in your =
situation with feeders, suet,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nesting sites), there =
is an attractant that keeps them coming back. =
Often<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>trying to figure out why they are there and =
dealing with that issue will<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>make them leave. =
Raccoons are largely nocturnal and follow =
predictable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>patterns each night based on previous =
experience. If they know you have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>food available or =
a desirable nesting place ,they will return. If you =
take<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>your feeders in at night and repair the spots =
where they gain access to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nest sites, they will =
move on. Wildlife solutions start with home =
repair,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>truly. Also simply removing a few =
"problem" animals is not going to =
solve<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>anything. If raccoon A figures out you have a =
good spot and you remove him,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>that territory is =
opened up to=C2=A0 raccoon B who undoubtedly will find =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>same bonanza of food/territory. Remove Raccoon =
B and C moves in.and so on.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>There are humane ways =
to discourage most wildlife, and they often =
start<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>with removing the attractant and setting up =
barriers to accessing desirable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>spaces ( i.e. fix =
the hole in your fascia, soffit, =
etc).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Other thoughts. =
..during nesting season, the most common wildlife =
invasion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>time..they are looking for warm, dark, =
quiet places to have their litters.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Make it NOT =
warm dark and quiet and they will usually leave with =
their<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>young ( one at a time) over a 24-48 hour =
period. Some suggestions include<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>illuminating the =
area with a light or spot light..and placing a radio on =
a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>talk station playing LOUDLY during their most =
active time...that will<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>usually make them leave. =
Most animals have alternate den sites and =
can<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>relocate the family there. If anyone has =
particular issues where I can help<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>advise on humane =
solutions to wildlife interaction issues, please call =
or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>email me and I will see what I can do. Also, try =
to have a little empathy<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>where you can, habitat =
loss means many of these animals don't have a lot =
of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>options. Try to work with them instead of always =
wanting to get rid of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>them. There are ways to do =
this.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>thanks<o:p></o:p><=
/pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Helene<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></pre><pre>On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Jeff Hiltz <a =
href=3D"mailto:4x4play@gmail.com"><</a><a =
href=3D"mailto:4x4play@gmail.com">4x4play@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I'm just curious on =
the good, the bad and the ugly of relocating =
wildlife.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Last year we =
were having issues with Raccoon's around our residence =
here<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>in Springhill, a family of Raccoon's had taken =
up residence in our<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>neighbor's garage. They had dug =
a tunnel and ripped a part of the garage<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>wall down =
and where living in my neighbor's old car that he has plans =
for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>restoration in the future. Then in the evening =
the raccoon's were stealing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>our suet's, suet =
baskets and knocking our feeders down and being an =
overall<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nuisance.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </=
o:p></pre><pre>Frustrated with the damage that they had done to his =
garage and old car,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>my neighbor told me that he had =
plans to kill the Raccoon's. After hearing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>this and =
my wife and I being compassionate nature and wildlife lovers, =
I<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>told my neighbor that I will get a live trap from =
DNR and relocate them to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the banks of a river about =
5 km outside of town.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I =
waited until the raccoon's were grown enough that they were out =
and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>fending for themselves, then set the trap up in =
the backyard and was<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>catching and relocating one =
raccoon a night. I did this for two =
weeks<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>relocating nine raccoon's until I wasn't =
finding any more in the trap and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>not seeing anymore =
raccoon's around our =
yards.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>My neighbor was =
happy and filled the hole and mended his garage and =
hasn't<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>had a problem =
since.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On a message =
board that I frequent often I told my story of the =
raccoon's<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and my relocating them. Then just =
recently another member of the forum was<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>telling us =
how he was dealing with a couple raccoon's which got one of =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>other members thinking about reason's raccoon's =
should not be relocated, he<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>seems to have some very =
valid points but even so, I would not have =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>heart to allow my neighbor to kill them or to =
take them somewhere that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will euthanize =
them.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I know this forum =
has some very well educated nature and wildlife =
persons<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and I would love to hear what the experts =
think.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Here is the =
message that the other message board member =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>*Why is it =
sometimes necessary to euthanize a nuisance animal that =
has<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>been trapped rather than releasing back to the =
=E2=80=9Cwild?=E2=80=9D*<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre=
>There are several biological reasons why it=E2=80=99s generally not a =
good idea to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>move wildlife to new areas. It is =
difficult to find rural areas without any<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>humans =
nearby. And moving wildlife only puts it into another =
animal=E2=80=99s<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>territory, which can create =
stress, injury and even death. Other =
reasons<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>include the =
following:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>1) Relocation can be stressful to wild =
animals. They may experience<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>elevated heart rates =
and breathing rates, high blood pressure, =
acute<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>changes in blood chemistry and depressed =
appetites. These factors, in turn,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>may make them =
more vulnerable to disease or predation.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>2) =
Relocated animals have no prior experience with their new homes, =
which<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>immediately puts them at a disadvantage for =
finding food and shelter. Many<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>wildlife species, =
such as bobcats, foxes, opossums and raccoons, are =
common<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and widespread. That means when they become =
nuisance animals there is no<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>place to relocate them =
that doesn=E2=80=99t already have established populations =
of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>those animals.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>3) Animals =
released in a new territory are often out-competed for food =
and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>shelter by resident =
animals.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>4) Relocating nuisance animals can =
increase the spread of disease. In some<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>cases, =
animals become nuisances when they get sick because they look =
for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>easy sources of food and may become less =
fearful of people. Just as we<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>humans spread disease =
among our populations by traveling, animals can =
bring<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>diseases into new areas when they are =
relocated, thus affecting the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>resident animal =
populations.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5) Animals that are relocated often =
leave the area where they are<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>released. Relocated =
animals may wander for miles, leading to =
further<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>interactions with wildlife and =
people.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I'm not saying =
we should just randomly go about trapping and =
killing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>everything. But in situations where there =
are problem wildlife I'd prefer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to have them =
euthanized than released to a likely slow painful death =
of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>starvation, disease or wounds from =
fights.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>That's my take =
on =
it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Kristian<o:p></o:p><=
/pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thank =
you!!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Sincerely!<o:p></o=
:p></pre><pre>Jeff in =
Springhill<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>=
<o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></blockquote></d=
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