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the discipline of creating secure a Re Mary's comment: ah yes - but Steve Jobs was a highschool drop out and Bill gates left Harvard in his junior year.... Ulli's query: And your point is....? Mary replied: > You have to refer to chris' original post where he concludes that if > not for science we would not be able to communicate the way we are > doing through computers today. The reality is that neither Steve nor Bill is a scientist. They are brilliant entrepreneurs who have taken what scientists and engineers have developed and sold it, much to the delight (and mostly benefit) of all of us (and certainly to their shareholders). I would add to the list Bill Joy, who probably has more to do with the fact we are communicating this way than either of the two other guys. By the way, if you've read Malcolm Gladwell's _Outliers_, you'll know that Gates, Joy, Jobs, et al. were very lucky boys -- the right time in the right place with the right people to mentor them, and the opportunity to follow their dreams. Meanwhile, the scientists and engineers keep plodding away and making their contributions where they can. Doug Linzey
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