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<span --Apple-Mail-1--1032001069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Randy; you are right. I also checked. In the States, it is illegal even to posses a piece of whale's bone, =20 without a permit (which can be obtained for artifacts, such as =20 "grandfathered" scrimshaw). On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:55 AM, Randy Lauff wrote: > I've been told it's not. It's illegal to deal in them or bring them =20= > across a national border. I checked with DFO and DNR regarding the =20 > sperm whales I recently worked on. However, if the whale is still in =20= > the water, it's in DFO's realm, and a permit is required. On land, =20 > it's out of their hands. One of the sperm whales had it's jaws =20 > removed prior to me being able to secure them...the authorities said =20= > that was ok. It's a shame that such pieces are now likely hanging in =20= > someone's shed (or even tossed away) rather than in spots where the =20= > public can see them. > > This may be a case of a critter slipping through the legal cracks, =20 > as it were. Some beaches are protected, meaning you can't remove =20 > anything from those beaches (DNR responsibility, I believe), so =20 > removing it (but not possessing it?) may require permission. I saw a =20= > carved whale vertebra for sale in an art gallery - I would have =20 > thought that to be illegal. > > Randy > > 2010/1/7 Paul S. Boyer <psboyer@eastlink.ca> > I think that it is illegal to posses whale parts. Better check on =20 > this. > > On 6 Jan 2010, at 2:35 PM, Randy Lauff wrote: > >> If this is the same whale (I think it's likely), there are some =20 >> interesting questions here. It hasn't been scavenged much - are the =20= >> coyotes too afraid to come out that much in the open (how close is =20= >> the nearest forest edge?), or was the whale already "ripe" when it =20= >> washed up (Blake?). Birds, even eagles, have a hard time getting =20 >> through the skin of a whale and tend to need a mammalian carnivore =20= >> (or a biologist with a really big blade = [http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg=20 >> ]) to open things up for them. >> >> That jaw bone may be salvageable, and would look great on the wall =20= >> of a local highschool biology lab! Salvagers may need shovels and =20 >> ropes to extract it. Maybe even a big knife. And a gas mask. >> >> Randy >> >> 2010/1/6 Laurie Murison <gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca> >> Is this not the minke whale that has been on this beach for several =20= >> months - reported October 6 by Blake Maybank and again November 11 =20= >> by Jennifer Rowlands via Randy Lauff? >> >> The recent surf had rolled it exposing the right side that has =20 >> obviously been protected from the elements and still has skin on =20 >> it. The jaw bones are sticking out and the outline of the =20 >> vertebrae are visible along the back. >> >> Laurie Murison >> Grand Manan, NB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Evans >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:35 PM >> Subject: [NatureNS] Martinique Beach/whale carcass/eagles >> >> Hello, >> >> This morning while walking on Martinique Beach (Eastern Shore) we =20 >> saw some bird activity at a far distance near the end of the beach =20= >> (gulls, crows, and two large bird of prey). We suspected something =20= >> had washed up =96 which turned to be a whale. >> >> http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale >> >> I would appreciate someone helping with identification. I paced off =20= >> the length at about 7.5m or 8m. >> >> The birds of prey moved off long before we were close. Later we =20 >> could see them at a distance. I had trouble identifying them at =20 >> first until I noticed the presence of a mature Bald Eagle as well =20= >> =96 therefore I=92m pretty sure they were two immature Bald Eagles =20= >> (sorry for not being sure as we didn=92t get a close look). >> >> Paul Evans >> > > _________________________________ > RF Lauff > Way in the boonies of > Antigonish County, NS. --Apple-Mail-1--1032001069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes, Randy; you are right. = I also checked.<div><br></div><div>In the States, it is illegal = even to posses a piece of whale's bone, without a permit (which can be = obtained for artifacts, such as "grandfathered" = scrimshaw).</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:55 = AM, Randy Lauff wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I've been = told it's not. It's illegal to deal in them or bring them across a = national border. I checked with DFO and DNR regarding the sperm whales I = recently worked on. However, if the whale is still in the water, it's in = DFO's realm, and a permit is required. On land, it's out of their hands. = One of the sperm whales had it's jaws removed prior to me being able to = secure them...the authorities said that was ok. It's a shame that such = pieces are now likely hanging in someone's shed (or even tossed away) = rather than in spots where the public can see them.<div> = <br></div><div>This may be a case of a critter slipping through the = legal cracks, as it were. Some beaches are protected, meaning you can't = remove anything from those beaches (DNR responsibility, I believe), so = removing it (but not possessing it?) may require permission. I saw a = carved whale vertebra for sale in an art gallery - I would have thought = that to be illegal.</div> <div><br></div><div>Randy<br><br><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/1/7 Paul S. Boyer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca">psboyer@eastlink.ca</a>></span><br>= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I think that it is illegal to posses = whale parts. Better check on this.<div><div></div><div = class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><div>On 6 Jan 2010, at 2:35 PM, Randy Lauff = wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"> If this is the same whale (I = think it's likely), there are some interesting questions here. It hasn't = been scavenged much - are the coyotes too afraid to come out that much = in the open (how close is the nearest forest edge?), or was the whale = already "ripe" when it washed up (Blake?). Birds, even eagles, have a = hard time getting through the skin of a whale and tend to need a = mammalian carnivore (or a biologist with a really big blade [<a = href=3D"http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg" = target=3D"_blank">http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg</a>])= to open things up for them.<div> <br></div><div>That jaw bone may be = salvageable, and would look great on the wall of a local highschool = biology lab! Salvagers may need shovels and ropes to extract it. Maybe = even a big knife. And a gas mask.</div><div> <br> = </div><div>Randy<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/1/6 Laurie = Murison <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca" = target=3D"_blank">gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div lang=3D"EN-CA" vlink=3D"purple" = link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Is this not the minke whale that has been on this beach for = several months - reported October 6 by Blake Maybank and again November = 11 by Jennifer Rowlands via Randy Lauff? </font></div> <div><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">The recent surf had rolled it exposing the right side that = has obviously been protected from the elements and still has skin on = it. The jaw bones are sticking out and the outline of the = vertebrae are visible along the back.</font></div> <div><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Laurie Murison</font></div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2">Grand Manan, NB</font></div> </div><blockquote = style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:#0= 00000 2px solid;margin-right:0px"> <div> <div style=3D"font:10pt = arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div = style=3D"background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a = title=3D"evans@hfx.eastlink.ca" href=3D"mailto:evans@hfx.eastlink.ca" = target=3D"_blank">Paul Evans</a> </div> <div style=3D"font:10pt = arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" = target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a> </div> <div = style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:35 = PM</div> <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [NatureNS] = Martinique Beach/whale carcass/eagles</div> <div><br></div> = </div><div><div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello,</p><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">This morning while walking on Martinique Beach = (Eastern Shore) we saw some bird activity at a far distance near the = end of the beach (gulls, crows, and two large bird of prey). We = suspected something had washed up =96 which turned to be a = whale.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a = href=3D"http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale= </a></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would appreciate someone helping with = identification. I paced off the length at about 7.5m or 8m.</p><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">The birds of prey moved off long before we were = close. Later we could see them at a distance. I had trouble = identifying them at first until I noticed the presence of a mature = Bald Eagle as well =96 therefore I=92m pretty sure they were two = immature Bald Eagles (sorry for not being sure as we didn=92t get a = close look).</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul = Evans</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></b= lockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>___________= ______________________<br>RF Lauff<br>Way in the boonies of<br> = Antigonish County, NS.<br> = </div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-1--1032001069--
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