[NatureNS] Martinique Beach/whale carcass/eagles

From: "Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@eastlink.ca>
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Yes, Randy; you are right.  I also checked.

In the States, it is illegal even to posses a piece of whale's bone, =20
without a permit (which can be obtained for artifacts, such as =20
"grandfathered" scrimshaw).

On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:55 AM, Randy Lauff wrote:

> I've been told it's not. It's illegal to deal in them or bring them =20=

> across a national border. I checked with DFO and DNR regarding the =20
> sperm whales I recently worked on. However, if the whale is still in =20=

> the water, it's in DFO's realm, and a permit is required. On land, =20
> it's out of their hands. One of the sperm whales had it's jaws =20
> removed prior to me being able to secure them...the authorities said =20=

> that was ok. It's a shame that such pieces are now likely hanging in =20=

> someone's shed (or even tossed away) rather than in spots where the =20=

> public can see them.
>
> This may be a case of a critter slipping through the legal cracks, =20
> as it were. Some beaches are protected, meaning you can't remove =20
> anything from those beaches (DNR responsibility, I believe), so =20
> removing it (but not possessing it?) may require permission. I saw a =20=

> carved whale vertebra for sale in an art gallery - I would have =20
> thought that to be illegal.
>
> Randy
>
> 2010/1/7 Paul S. Boyer <psboyer@eastlink.ca>
> I think that it is illegal to posses whale parts.  Better check on =20
> this.
>
> On 6 Jan 2010, at 2:35 PM, Randy Lauff wrote:
>
>> If this is the same whale (I think it's likely), there are some =20
>> interesting questions here. It hasn't been scavenged much - are the =20=

>> coyotes too afraid to come out that much in the open (how close is =20=

>> the nearest forest edge?), or was the whale already "ripe" when it =20=

>> washed up (Blake?). Birds, even eagles, have a hard time getting =20
>> through the skin of a whale and tend to need a mammalian carnivore =20=

>> (or a biologist with a really big blade =
[http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg=20
>> ]) to open things up for them.
>>
>> That jaw bone may be salvageable, and would look great on the wall =20=

>> of a local highschool biology lab! Salvagers may need shovels and =20
>> ropes to extract it. Maybe even a big knife. And a gas mask.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> 2010/1/6 Laurie Murison <gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca>
>> Is this not the minke whale that has been on this beach for several =20=

>> months - reported October 6 by Blake Maybank and again November 11 =20=

>> by Jennifer Rowlands via Randy Lauff?
>>
>> The recent surf had rolled it exposing the right side that has =20
>> obviously been protected from the elements and still has skin on =20
>> it.  The jaw bones are sticking out and the outline of the =20
>> vertebrae are visible along the back.
>>
>> Laurie Murison
>> Grand Manan, NB
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Paul Evans
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:35 PM
>> Subject: [NatureNS] Martinique Beach/whale carcass/eagles
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This morning while walking on Martinique Beach (Eastern Shore) we =20
>> saw some bird activity at a far distance near the end of the beach =20=

>> (gulls, crows, and two large bird of prey).  We suspected something =20=

>> had washed up =96 which turned to be a whale.
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale
>>
>> I would appreciate someone helping with identification. I paced off =20=

>> the length at about 7.5m or 8m.
>>
>> The birds of prey moved off long before we were close. Later we =20
>> could see them at a distance. I had trouble identifying them at =20
>> first until I noticed the presence of a mature Bald Eagle as well  =20=

>> =96 therefore I=92m pretty sure they were two immature Bald Eagles =20=

>> (sorry for not being sure as we didn=92t get a close look).
>>
>> Paul Evans
>>
>
> _________________________________
> RF Lauff
> Way in the boonies of
> Antigonish County, NS.


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes, Randy; you are right. =
&nbsp;I also checked.<div><br></div><div>In the States, it is illegal =
even to posses a piece of whale's bone, without a permit (which can be =
obtained for artifacts, such as "grandfathered" =
scrimshaw).</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:55 =
AM, Randy Lauff wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I've been =
told it's not. It's illegal to deal in them or bring them across a =
national border. I checked with DFO and DNR regarding the sperm whales I =
recently worked on. However, if the whale is still in the water, it's in =
DFO's realm, and a permit is required. On land, it's out of their hands. =
One of the sperm whales had it's jaws removed prior to me being able to =
secure them...the authorities said that was ok. It's a shame that such =
pieces are now likely hanging in someone's shed (or even tossed away) =
rather than in spots where the public can see them.<div> =
<br></div><div>This may be a case of a critter slipping through the =
legal cracks, as it were. Some beaches are protected, meaning you can't =
remove anything from those beaches (DNR responsibility, I believe), so =
removing it (but not possessing it?) may require permission. I saw a =
carved whale vertebra for sale in an art gallery - I would have thought =
that to be illegal.</div> <div><br></div><div>Randy<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/1/7 Paul S. Boyer <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca">psboyer@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span><br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I think that it is illegal to posses =
whale parts. &nbsp;Better check on this.<div><div></div><div =
class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><div>On 6 Jan 2010, at 2:35 PM, Randy Lauff =
wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"> If this is the same whale (I =
think it's likely), there are some interesting questions here. It hasn't =
been scavenged much - are the coyotes too afraid to come out that much =
in the open (how close is the nearest forest edge?), or was the whale =
already "ripe" when it washed up (Blake?). Birds, even eagles, have a =
hard time getting through the skin of a whale and tend to need a =
mammalian carnivore (or a biologist with a really big blade [<a =
href=3D"http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg" =
target=3D"_blank">http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/photos/firstslice.jpg</a>])=
 to open things up for them.<div>  <br></div><div>That jaw bone may be =
salvageable, and would look great on the wall of a local highschool =
biology lab! Salvagers may need shovels and ropes to extract it. Maybe =
even a big knife. And a gas mask.</div><div> <br> =
</div><div>Randy<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/1/6 Laurie =
Murison <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">gmwhale@nbnet.nb.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">  <div lang=3D"EN-CA" vlink=3D"purple" =
link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">Is this not the minke whale that has been on this beach for =
several months - reported October 6 by Blake Maybank and again November =
11 by Jennifer Rowlands via Randy Lauff?&nbsp; </font></div>  <div><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">The recent surf had rolled it exposing the right side that =
has obviously been protected from the elements and still has skin on =
it.&nbsp; The jaw bones are sticking out and the outline of the =
vertebrae are visible along the back.</font></div>  <div><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">Laurie Murison</font></div> <div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">Grand Manan, NB</font></div> </div><blockquote =
style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:#0=
00000 2px solid;margin-right:0px"> <div>  <div style=3D"font:10pt =
arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>  <div =
style=3D"background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>   <a =
title=3D"evans@hfx.eastlink.ca" href=3D"mailto:evans@hfx.eastlink.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">Paul   Evans</a> </div>   <div style=3D"font:10pt =
arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a> </div>  <div =
style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:35  =
 PM</div>   <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [NatureNS] =
Martinique   Beach/whale carcass/eagles</div>  <div><br></div>  =
</div><div><div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello,</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">This morning while walking on Martinique Beach =
(Eastern   Shore) we saw some bird activity at a far distance near the =
end of the beach   (gulls, crows, and two large bird of prey). &nbsp;We =
suspected something had   washed up =96 which turned to be a =
whale.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a =
href=3D"http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.pbase.com/ns_astronomer/martinque_beach_whale=
</a></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would appreciate someone helping with =
identification. I   paced off the length at about 7.5m or 8m.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The birds of prey moved off long before we were =
close.   Later we could see them at a distance. I had trouble =
identifying them at first   until I noticed the presence of a mature =
Bald Eagle as well &nbsp;=96 therefore   I=92m pretty sure they were two =
immature Bald Eagles (sorry for not being sure   as we didn=92t get a =
close look).</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul =
Evans</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></b=
lockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>___________=
______________________<br>RF Lauff<br>Way in the boonies of<br> =
Antigonish County, NS.<br> =
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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