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Thanks, Roy!  and I will indeed post this to the list.  Cheers from Jim

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> From: Roy Bishop <roy@xcountry.tv>
> Date: November 5, 2009 11:26:18 AM AST
> To: "James W. Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca>
> Cc: The Halifax RASC Discussion List <hfxrasc@lists.rasc.ca>,  
> Terence Dickinson <arcturus@istar.ca>
> Subject: Re: New Year's Eve Blue Moon
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for forwarding the "Blue Moon" item.
>
> Two full Moons in a month is quite common, as to be expected  
> because the average length of a month (30.4 days) is longer than  
> the lunar phase cycle (29.5 days). It happens about every three years.
>
> A full Moon on New Year's Eve occurs every 19 years (1971, 1990,  
> 2009, 2028, . . .), so it is uncommon, but not "extremely rare". It  
> is the SECOND full Moon in December for the reason mentioned above.  
> The 19-year period exists because 235 lunar phase cycles equals 19  
> years, to a precision of a few hours. That interval is called the  
> "Metonic Cycle" after Meton, an astronomer in ancient Greece who  
> discovered the coincidence, although it was known centuries earlier  
> in Babylon.
>
> Hans Toom is correct:  "The common modern definition of a blue moon  
> is the second full moon in any given month." However, this  
> definition has no historical or astronomical significance, and  
> there is nothing "blue" about it. It is an aberration resulting  
> from an error made a few decades ago. (See Terence Dickinson's "The  
> Origin of the Bogus Blue Moon" in the current issue of SkyNews.)
>
> The "zero" significance of the modern definition of a Blue Moon is  
> highlighted by the 6th full Moon of 2007. That full Moon occurred  
> at 01:05 a.m. June 1 in England, and 10:05 p.m. May 31 in Nova  
> Scotia. So, by the modern definition, that full Moon was a "Blue  
> Moon" for Canada (being the second full Moon in May), but not for  
> England. A few weeks later, the 7th full Moon of 2007 (on June 30)  
> was a "Blue Moon" for England but not for Canada. So much for the  
> modern definition.
>
> True Blue Moons, the origin of the old term "Once in a Blue Moon",  
> are far less common. They are literally blue, and have no  
> connection with the calendar. I saw one in the 1950s, caused by  
> smoke from forest fires in western Canada. Usually a hazy  
> atmosphere scatters blue light, producing orange moonrises and red  
> sunsets; but depending upon the nature of the haze particles, the  
> blue end of the spectrum can survive.
>
> (You may post my reply on the Nature NS list.)
>
> Roy
>
>
> On 2-Nov-09, at 4:57 p.m., Jim Wolford wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Hans Toom <Htoom@hfx.eastlink.ca>
>>> Date: November 2, 2009 9:04:15 AM AST
>>> To: "Naturens@Chebucto.Ns.Ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>> Subject: [NatureNS] New Year's Eve Blue Moon
>>> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>>>
>>> This new year's eve, December 31, we will have a blue moon to  
>>> celebrate the new year with.  The common modern definition of a  
>>> blue moon is the second full moon in any given month. The first  
>>> full moon of December will fall on December 2.  Although blue  
>>> moons are not that uncommon one falling on a particular day, say  
>>> New Year's Eve, must be extremely rare.  I hope for clear skies  
>>> that night to capture that rare event with my camera.  I was  
>>> unable to find a blue moon calculator that predicts on the basis  
>>> of day of the year so who knows when the next one will be.   
>>> Perhaps our RASC members can provide an answer.
>>>
>>> I've posted my October photographic highlights leading off with  
>>> three edits of our recent moon.
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> http://www.hanstoom.com/Highlights/October09/0159.html
>>> _________________________________
>>> Hans Toom
>>> Portuguese Cove, Nova Scotia, Canada
>>> Website: http://hanstoom.com
>>> _________________________________
>>
>


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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">
Thanks, Roy! &nbsp;and I will indeed post this to the list. &nbsp;Cheers =
from Jim<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Roy Bishop &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roy@xcountry.tv">roy@xcountry.tv</a>&gt;</font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">November 5, 2009 11:26:18 AM AST</font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"James W. =
Wolford" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</fon=
t></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">The Halifax RASC Discussion List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:hfxrasc@lists.rasc.ca">hfxrasc@lists.rasc.ca</a>&gt;, =
Terence Dickinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:arcturus@istar.ca">arcturus@istar.ca</a>&gt;</font></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica"><b>Re: New Year's Eve Blue Moon</b></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div>  Hi =
Jim,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for forwarding the "Blue Moon" =
item.</div><div><br></div><div>Two full Moons in a month is quite =
common, as to be expected because the average length of a month (30.4 =
days) is longer than the lunar phase cycle (29.5 days). It happens about =
every three years.<br><div><br></div><div>A full Moon on New Year's Eve =
occurs every 19 years (1971, 1990, 2009, 2028, . . .), so it is =
uncommon, but not "extremely rare". It is the SECOND full Moon in =
December for the reason mentioned above. The 19-year period exists =
because 235 lunar phase cycles equals 19 years, to a precision of a few =
hours. That interval is called the "Metonic Cycle" after Meton, an =
astronomer in ancient Greece who discovered the coincidence, although it =
was known centuries earlier in Babylon.</div><div><br></div><div>Hans =
Toom is correct: &nbsp;"The common modern definition of a blue moon is =
the second full moon in any given month." However, this&nbsp;definition =
has no historical or astronomical significance, and there is nothing =
"blue" about it. It&nbsp;is an aberration resulting from an error made a =
few decades ago.&nbsp;(See Terence Dickinson's "The Origin of the Bogus =
Blue Moon" in the current issue of =
SkyNews.)</div><div><br></div><div>The "zero" significance of the modern =
definition of a Blue Moon is highlighted by the 6th full Moon of 2007. =
That full Moon occurred at 01:05 a.m. June 1 in England, and 10:05 p.m. =
May 31 in Nova Scotia. So, by the modern definition, that full Moon was =
a "Blue Moon" for Canada (being the second full Moon in May), but not =
for England. A few weeks later, the 7th full Moon of 2007 (on June 30) =
was&nbsp;a "Blue Moon" for England but not for Canada.&nbsp;So much for =
the modern definition.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>True Blue Moons, =
the origin of the old term "Once in a Blue Moon", are far less common. =
They are literally blue, and have no connection with the calendar. I saw =
one in the 1950s, caused by smoke from forest fires in western Canada. =
Usually a hazy atmosphere scatters blue light, producing orange =
moonrises and red sunsets; but depending upon the nature of the haze =
particles, the blue end of the spectrum can =
survive.</div><div><br></div><div>(You may post my reply on the Nature =
NS =
list.)</div><div><br></div><div>Roy</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div=
>On 2-Nov-09, at 4:57 p.m., Jim Wolford wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: =
</b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Hans Toom &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Htoom@hfx.eastlink.ca">Htoom@hfx.eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</font>=
</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">November 2, 2009 9:04:15 AM =
AST</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"<a =
href=3D"mailto:Naturens@Chebucto.Ns.Ca">Naturens@Chebucto.Ns.Ca</a>" =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>&gt;</f=
ont></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>[NatureNS] New Year's Eve Blue =
Moon</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>=
</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">This new year's eve, December 31, we will have a blue =
moon to celebrate the new year with.&nbsp; The common<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><em>modern</em><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>definition of a blue moon =
is the second full moon in any given month. The first full moon of =
December will fall on December 2.&nbsp; Although blue moons are not that =
uncommon one falling on a particular day, say New Year's Eve, must be =
extremely rare.&nbsp; I hope for clear skies that night to capture that =
rare event with my camera.&nbsp; I was unable to find a blue moon =
calculator that predicts on the basis of day of the year so who knows =
when the next one will be.&nbsp; Perhaps our RASC members can provide an =
answer.</font></div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">I've posted my October photographic highlights leading =
off with three edits of our recent moon.</font></div><div><font size=3D"2"=
 face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Hans</font></div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><a =
href=3D"http://www.hanstoom.com/Highlights/October09/0159.html">http://www=
.hanstoom.com/Highlights/October09/0159.html</a></font></div><div><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">_________________________________<br>Hans =
Toom<br>Portuguese Cove, Nova Scotia, Canada<br>Website:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://hanstoom.com">http://hanstoom.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>_________________________=
________</font></div></span></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br>=
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