[NatureNS] New York Aster flowers?

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Stephen,

Try the main page of the Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS) and
conduct a search from there.  It is found here:
http://www.cbif.gc.ca/pls/itisca/taxaget?p_ifx=cbif

Good luck,

Ron
2008/10/30 Stephen Shaw <srshaw@dal.ca>

> Thanks Ann, Ron, for the confirmation, which is what I was after.
>
> I couldn't make Ron's link work, but the Symphyotrichum genus name change
> is
> confirmed if you go to (e.g.) the USDA site
> plants.usda.gov
> then plug Symphyotrichum into the search box, which brings up a page in
> which
> the former name Aster is given as a synonym for the species in question.
>
> I can't track it now, but earlier today I read somewhere on line that
> taxonomic
> experts had decided that the N. American asters were sufficiently distinct
> from
> the European species that they deserved to be moved to a different genus,
> while
> the Europeans, discovered first, got to retain the original genus name of
> Aster.
> Thanks again,
> Steve
> ***********************************
> Quoting Ronald Arsenault <rongarsenault@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello Anne,
>>
>> My understanding is that *Symphyotrichum novi-belgii
>> *<
>> http://www.cbif.gc.ca/pls/itisca/next?v_tsn=566335&taxa=&p_format=&p_ifx=cbif&p_lang=>is
>>
>>
>> the curretnly acepted scientific name for this species.  See:
>>
>> http://www.cbif.gc.ca/pls/itisca/next?v_tsn=522227&taxa=&p_king=every&p_string=containing&p_ifx=cbif&p_lang
>> =
>>
>> Ron Arsenault
>> Memramcook, N.B.
>>
>> 2008/10/29 Anne Mills <ocotillo@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> The flowers are Aster novi-belgii, New York Aster.  Cheers, Anne
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Shaw" <srshaw@dal.ca>
>>> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:46 PM
>>> Subject: [NatureNS] New York Aster flowers?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 28 October:    I recently collected some insects from one of the few
>>> flower
>>>
>>>> sets that are still in bloom in late October, most recently near York
>>>> Redoubt in Halifax, and would like a tentative ID for this plant.   The
>>>> flowers are 2-3 cm across, have pale blue-violet petals (rays) with a
>>>> yellow
>>>> central disk, multiple heads per stalk and simple blade-like leaves.
>>>>  They
>>>> are very common in clumps at the roadside and on unused land and look
>>>> like
>>>> what I used to call michaelmas daisies.   I counted about 25 petals per
>>>> head
>>>> though they are looking quite beaten up by this date, so perhaps had a
>>>> few
>>>> more petals originally.
>>>>
>>>> As a non-botanist, I think these are most likely asters,  either New
>>>> York
>>>> Aster (Symphotrichum novi-belgii), with New England Aster (Symphotrichum
>>>> novae-angliae) less likely -- that species should have ~40 petals per
>>>> head.
>>>>  Maybe this info is not much to go on for a possible ID, but does it
>>>> sound
>>>> like a reasonable guess, or is there something else out there that I
>>>> should
>>>> be considering instead?
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions welcome, including "get yourself a decent flower-ID
>>>> book".
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> Halifax
>>>>
>>>
> --
>> Ronald G. Arsenault
>> Memramcook, N.B.
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Ronald G. Arsenault
Memramcook, N.B.

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<div>Stephen, </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Try the main page of the&nbsp;Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS) and conduct a search from there.&nbsp; It is found here:&nbsp; http://www.cbif.gc.ca/pls/itisca/taxaget?p_ifx=cbif<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Good luck,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Ron<br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2008/10/30 Stephen Shaw <span dir="ltr">&lt;srshaw@dal.ca&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Thanks Ann, Ron, for the confirmation, which is what I was after.<br><br>I couldn&#39;t make Ron&#39;s link work, but the Symphyotrichum genus name change is<br>
confirmed if you go to (e.g.) the USDA site<br>plants.usda.gov<br>then plug Symphyotrichum into the search box, which brings up a page in which<br>the former name Aster is given as a synonym for the species in question.<br>
<br>I can&#39;t track it now, but earlier today I read somewhere on line that taxonomic<br>experts had decided that the N. American asters were sufficiently distinct from<br>the European species that they deserved to be moved to a different genus, while<br>
the Europeans, discovered first, got to retain the original genus name of<br>Aster.<br>Thanks again,<br>Steve<br>*********************************** 
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>Quoting Ronald Arsenault &lt;rongarsenault@gmail.com&gt;:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Hello Anne,<br><br>My understanding is that *Symphyotrichum novi-belgii<br></div>*&lt;http://www.cbif.gc.ca/pls/itisca/next?v_tsn=566335&taxa=&p_format=&p_ifx=cbif&p_lang=&gt;is 
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br>the curretnly acepted scientific name for this species. &nbsp;See:<br>