[NatureNS] Muskrat versus beaver diet choices

From: "Andy Dean" <aadean@ns.sympatico.ca>
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We lived in Port Joli for many years and grew a number of roses.=20
We had so much problem with porcupines lopping them off close to the =
ground that we were forced to move all of the bushes into the original =
vegetable patch that was enclosed with a meter high chicken wire =
fence.....the exception being a stand of hardy 'rugosa' roses which =
multiplied and regenerated constantly ....but these were also destroyed =
from time to time....the porcupines never seemed to eat the plants, =
simply lopped them off and left the debris to annoy us...as Lelia =
sometimes said "It wouldn't be so frustrating if they ate them !.
I came to the conclusion that it was probably part of the mating ritual, =
especially after a night of horrific wailing which awakened us to =
discover one calling from high in one of our oak trees. The wailing =
attracted another that climbed up the tree, and next morning we =
discovered the ground at the foot of the oak carpeted with short green =
branches, mostly about a meter or more in length , all neatly severed =
and left littering.
I HATE porcupines !!
Andy=20

Andy & Lelia Dean
86 Baden Powell Drive
Kentville, NS. Canada. B4N 5P5
Tel: [902] 678-6243

aadean@ns.sympatico.ca
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roland McCormick=20
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Muskrat versus beaver diet choices


  Interesting. I think it unlikely that it was a beaver. I have always =
thought=20
  they prefer wood. One animal  you might want to rule out is a =
porcupine. I=20
  have had problems in my raspberry plants with them. They will attack a =

  raspberry plant and chew off an inch or two, then move on and chew off =
an=20
  inch or two of a second one, and so on until they have caused =
considerable=20
  damage. Often if you find a wild patch of raspberries you will find a=20
  porcupine in the patch eating this same way.

  Roland.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Stephen Shaw" <srshaw@dal.ca>
  To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:34 AM
  Subject: [NatureNS] Muskrat versus beaver diet choices


  > We live on Chocolate Lake in Halifax, and during our time the garden =
has=20
  > always
  > had a multi-stalked rose bush growing within a couple of feet of the =
lake=20
  > edge.
  > This was trained up high over a tree and has (or had) six sturdy =
woody=20
  > stems
  > each about 1 inch thick: it must have been growing there for 20+ =
years.
  > A couple of days ago I noticed that most of the leaves on the rose =
were
  > shrivelled and dying, and traced this back to find that 5 of the 6 =
stems
  > appeared to have been hacked through with a machete, probably about =
a week
  > earlier.  After thinking dark misanthropic thoughts, on closer =
inpection=20
  > there
  > were some striations on the hacks and the two ends of each hack =
didn't=20
  > seem to
  > match.  It looked as if short sections had been removed by something =
with=20
  > teeth
  > -- looks like a rodent did it.  This urban lake doesn't look like =
prime=20
  > beaver
  > habitat and I've never seen or heard of one living or visiting =
locally on=20
  > the
  > lake, but at least one muskrat has lived here for some years and is =
still
  > around.
  >
  > Question: this muskrat regularly chews off nearby soft plant shoots=20
  > (lilies?)
  > that grow directly out of the lake near the edge.  I thought that =
muskrats
  > exclusively subsist on such soft diet material and don't go after =
woody=20
  > shrubs
  > or trees in the manner of a beaver.  Is this correct, or could the =
muskrat=20
  > be a
  > possible culprit for the woody rose incident?
  > Steve
  >


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We lived in Port Joli for many years =
and grew a=20
number of roses. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We had so much&nbsp;problem&nbsp;with =
porcupines=20
lopping them off close to the ground that we were forced to move all of =
the=20
bushes into the original vegetable patch that was enclosed with a meter =
high=20
chicken wire fence.....the exception being a stand of&nbsp;hardy =
'rugosa' roses=20
which multiplied and regenerated constantly ....but these were also =
destroyed=20
from time to time....the porcupines never seemed to eat the plants, =
simply=20
lopped them off and left the debris to annoy us...as Lelia sometimes =
said "It=20
wouldn't be so&nbsp;frustrating if they ate them !.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I came to the conclusion that it was =
probably part=20
of the mating ritual, especially after a night of horrific wailing which =

awakened us to discover one calling from high in one of our oak trees. =
The=20
wailing attracted another that climbed up the tree, and next morning we=20
discovered the ground at the foot of the oak&nbsp;carpeted with short =
green=20
branches,&nbsp;mostly about&nbsp;a meter or more in length ,&nbsp;all =
neatly=20
severed and left littering.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I HATE porcupines !!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Andy </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Andy &amp; Lelia Dean<BR>86 Baden =
Powell=20
Drive<BR>Kentville, NS. Canada. B4N 5P5<BR>Tel: [902] =
678-6243</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:aadean@ns.sympatico.ca">aadean@ns.sympatico.ca</A></FONT><=
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Droland.mccormick@ns.sympatico.ca=20
  href=3D"mailto:roland.mccormick@ns.sympatico.ca">Roland McCormick</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 20, =
2008 6:59=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Muskrat =
versus=20
  beaver diet choices</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Interesting. I think it unlikely that it was a beaver. =
I have=20
  always thought <BR>they prefer wood. One animal&nbsp; you might want =
to rule=20
  out is a porcupine. I <BR>have had problems in my raspberry plants =
with them.=20
  They will attack a <BR>raspberry plant and chew off an inch or two, =
then move=20
  on and chew off an <BR>inch or two of a second one, and so on until =
they have=20
  caused considerable <BR>damage. Often if you find a wild patch of =
raspberries=20
  you will find a <BR>porcupine in the patch eating this same=20
  way.<BR><BR>Roland.<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Stephen =
Shaw"=20
  &lt;srshaw@dal.ca&gt;<BR>To: =
&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>&gt;<B=
R>Sent:=20
  Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:34 AM<BR>Subject: [NatureNS] Muskrat =
versus=20
  beaver diet choices<BR><BR><BR>&gt; We live on Chocolate Lake in =
Halifax, and=20
  during our time the garden has <BR>&gt; always<BR>&gt; had a =
multi-stalked=20
  rose bush growing within a couple of feet of the lake <BR>&gt; =
edge.<BR>&gt;=20
  This was trained up high over a tree and has (or had) six sturdy woody =

  <BR>&gt; stems<BR>&gt; each about 1 inch thick: it must have been =
growing=20
  there for 20+ years.<BR>&gt; A couple of days ago I noticed that most =
of the=20
  leaves on the rose were<BR>&gt; shrivelled and dying, and traced this =
back to=20
  find that 5 of the 6 stems<BR>&gt; appeared to have been hacked =
through with a=20
  machete, probably about a week<BR>&gt; earlier.&nbsp; After thinking =
dark=20
  misanthropic thoughts, on closer inpection <BR>&gt; there<BR>&gt; were =
some=20
  striations on the hacks and the two ends of each hack didn't <BR>&gt; =
seem=20
  to<BR>&gt; match.&nbsp; It looked as if short sections had been =
removed by=20
  something with <BR>&gt; teeth<BR>&gt; -- looks like a rodent did =
it.&nbsp;=20
  This urban lake doesn't look like prime <BR>&gt; beaver<BR>&gt; =
habitat and=20
  I've never seen or heard of one living or visiting locally on <BR>&gt; =

  the<BR>&gt; lake, but at least one muskrat has lived here for some =
years and=20
  is still<BR>&gt; around.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Question: this muskrat =
regularly=20
  chews off nearby soft plant shoots <BR>&gt; (lilies?)<BR>&gt; that =
grow=20
  directly out of the lake near the edge.&nbsp; I thought that =
muskrats<BR>&gt;=20
  exclusively subsist on such soft diet material and don't go after =
woody=20
  <BR>&gt; shrubs<BR>&gt; or trees in the manner of a beaver.&nbsp; Is =
this=20
  correct, or could the muskrat <BR>&gt; be a<BR>&gt; possible culprit =
for the=20
  woody rose incident?<BR>&gt;=20
  =
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