[NatureNS] birdingonthe.net

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I just checked their website and found out that they don't actually have the '@' symbol in our e-mail addresses, instead it's the word 'AT.' However, I don't know how much this can prevent web crawlers from finding them. 

Like some of you have said, it would be fine with me if we actually knew that our e-mails were being posted on a public website before we signed onto the list serve and as long as the site was properly protected and it didn't have personal information.

 
Lucas Berrigan
Eastern shore, HRM, 
Nova Scotia. 
My site:
http://www.geocities.com/interpolerater/

----- Original Message ----
From: Wild Flora <herself@wildflora.com>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] birdingonthe.net

I 
can't 
imagine 
any 
theory 
under 
which 
Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
would 
NOT 
be
violating 
copyright 
law.

The 
authors 
own 
the 
copyright 
to 
emails 
we 
write 
unless 
we 
explicitly 
assign
them 
to 
others. 
Posting 
to 
the 
list 
gives 
the 
list 
the 
right 
to 
print 
our
emails, 
but 
it 
doesn't 
extend 
that 
permission 
to 
anyone 
else.

The 
fact 
that 
this 
list 
is 
"public" 
in 
the 
sense 
that 
many 
people 
read 
it 
is
not 
relevant. 
Material 
I 
post 
to 
my 
blog 
is 
even 
more 
public 
than 
what 
I
post 
here, 
but 
I 
still 
own 
it, 
and 
nobody 
has 
the 
right 
to 
use 
it 
without 
my
permission.

For 
more 
on 
this, 
check 
the 
Wikipedia 
entry 
on 
"blog 
scraping." 
Although
this 
practice 
relates 
to 
the 
use 
of 
blog 
entries 
without 
permission, 
what
Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
is 
doing 
is 
basically 
the 
same. 
Note 
that 
the 
Wikipedia
states 
in 
no 
uncertain 
terms 
that 
it 
is 
illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog_scraping

What's 
more, 
if 
Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
is 
putting 
our 
email 
addresses 
online 
at
a 
permanent 
site, 
it 
is 
exposing 
all 
of 
us 
to 
a 
giant 
increase 
in 
the 
amount
of 
spam 
we 
receive. 
Spammers 
have 
software 
that 
searches 
the 
Internet 
for
expressions 
that 
contain 
the 
"@" 
sign 
in 
order 
to 
find 
addresses 
to 
send
spam 
to.

Wild 
Flora

-----Original 
Message-----
From: 
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On 
Behalf 
Of 
Doug 
Linzey
Sent: 
Thursday, 
February 
21, 
2008 
12:02 
AM
To: 
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 
Re: 
[NatureNS] 
birdingonthe.net

Ulli 
comments:

> 
As 
it 
> 
is 
done 
right 
now 
I 
see 
it 
as 
a 
case 
of 
copyright 
violation 
by
birdingonthe.net, 
> 
unless 
the 
owner 
of 
NatureNS 
gave 
permission 
(but 
then 
it 
should 
be 
in 
the

> 
NatureNs 
user 
agreement).

That's 
not 
a 
bad 
idea. 
We 
could 
certainly 
include 
a 
line 
about 
the 
lack 
of 
privacy 
in 
the 
welcoming 
message 
that 
goes 
out 
to 
subscribers. 
The 
fact 
is 
that 
NatureNS 
is 
a 
public 
list. 
It's 
not 
moderated, 
and 
anyone 
can 
join. 
As 
administrator 
I 
can 
deny 
access 
to 
a 
any 
given 
e-mail 
address, 
but 
that's 
a 
last 
resort 
sort 
of 
thing, 
which 
fortunately 
we 
haven't 
had 
to 
do 
for 
quite 
a 
while.

It's 
unwise 
to 
post 
anything 
to 
any 
e-mail 
list 
that 
you 
wouldn't 
want 
the 
world 
to 
read.

Cheers,
Doug 
Linzey







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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">I just checked their website and found out that they don't actually have the '@' symbol in our e-mail addresses, instead it's the word 'AT.' However, I don't know how much this can prevent web crawlers from finding them. <br><div><br>Like some of you have said, it would be fine with me if we actually knew that our e-mails were being posted on a public website <span style="font-style: italic;">before</span> we signed onto the list serve and as long as the site was properly protected and it didn't have personal information.<span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;"></span></span><br><br>&nbsp;</div>Lucas Berrigan<br>Eastern shore, HRM, <br>Nova Scotia.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>My site:<br><span><a target="_blank"
 href="http://www.geocities.com/interpolerater/">http://www.geocities.com/interpolerater/</a></span><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Wild Flora &lt;herself@wildflora.com&gt;<br>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:11:20 AM<br>Subject: RE: [NatureNS] birdingonthe.net<br><br>I 
can't 
imagine 
any 
theory 
under 
which 
Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
would 
NOT 
be<br>violating 
copyright 
law.<br><br>The 
authors 
own 
the 
copyright 
to 
emails 
we 
write 
unless 
we 
explicitly 
assign<br>them 
to 
others. 
Posting 
to 
the 
list 
gives 
the 
list 
the 
right 
to 
print 
our<br>emails, 
but 
it 
doesn't 
extend 
that 
permission 
to 
anyone 
else.<br><br>The 
fact 
that 
this 
list 
is 
"public" 
in 
the 
sense 
that 
many 
people 
read 
it 
is<br>not 
relevant. 
Material 
I 
post 
to 
my 
blog 
is 
even 
more 
public 
than 
what 
I<br>post 
here, 
but 
I 
still 
own 
it, 
and 
nobody 
has 
the 
right 
to 
use 
it 
without 
my<br>permission.<br><br>For 
more 
on 
this, 
check 
the 
Wikipedia 
entry 
on 
"blog 
scraping." 
Although<br>this 
practice 
relates 
to 
the 
use 
of 
blog 
entries 
without 
permission, 
what<br>Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
is 
doing 
is 
basically 
the 
same. 
Note 
that 
the 
Wikipedia<br>states 
in 
no 
uncertain 
terms 
that 
it 
is 
illegal.<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog_scraping<br><br>What's 
more, 
if 
Birding 
on 
the 
Net 
is 
putting 
our 
email 
addresses 
online 
at<br>a 
permanent 
site, 
it 
is 
exposing 
all 
of 
us 
to 
a 
giant 
increase 
in 
the 
amount<br>of 
spam 
we 
receive. 
Spammers 
have 
software 
that 
searches 
the 
Internet 
for<br>expressions 
that 
contain 
the 
"@" 
sign 
in 
order 
to 
find 
addresses 
to 
send<br>spam 
to.<br><br>Wild 
Flora<br><br>-----Original 
Message-----<br>From: 
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca