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> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_j+HHOOMY3+0vWCJ97JcUTw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Once again I can't resist more....I took a year of Latin in high school and then another year (!) in college, and, as I recall, I was taught that those who spoke Latin long ago had no "long i" sound as in "pie"; thus the "i" wa= s mostly pronounced like "ee" in geese. Who can add to this fascinating?c/crucial? subject? Apologies from past-scholar Jim in Wolfville ---------- From: Christopher Majka <c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:42:18 -0400 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Pileated Woodpecker nomenclature Hi Suzanne, There are many sources that one could go to, and many different opinions that one could (or could not) rely on, however, in this instance I advance my case on the fact that the English word "Pileated" derives from the Latin word=A0"pileatus" which consists of four=A0syllables, the emphasis on the first= , and the=A0pronunciation=A0of the 'i' being long. Not only that, but most other English words derived from the Latin root=A0"pileus" also employ a long "i" and all of them put the stress on the first syllable.=A0 In general (not always, of course), English words formed from Latin roots, do follow the=A0pronunciation=A0and emphasis of the original. Thus from the standpoint of etymology the most "correct"=A0pronunciation=A0would be=A0"Pie'-lea-ate-ed".=A0Usage, of course, can depart from etymology and over time establish other "correct"=A0pronunciations (as so-deemed by pillars of the English language like the O.E.D.) ;->. Cheers, Chris On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Suzanne Townsend wrote: It all depends on which style book you use, doesn't it? I would think that Cornell would be the most common (as in shared) reference for birders. Cornell says that PIE-lee-ay-tid and PILL-ee-ay-tid are both correct. The site yourdictionary.com <http://yourdictionary.com> does too, and has a button to hear the pronunciation. =20 =A0 =20 =20 =A0 All these=A0pronunciations=A0are out there, and arguably the birds don't actually care what they are called, however, technically the correct=A0pronunciation=A0should be "Pie'-lea-ate-ed", i.e. four=A0syllables=A0with the emphasis on first one and the "i" pronounced long. =A0 Christopher Majka Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada=A0 B3H 3A6 c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca --Boundary_(ID_j+HHOOMY3+0vWCJ97JcUTw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>re pronunciation of "pileated" woodpecker's name</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Once again I can't resist more....I took a year of Latin in high school and= then another year (!) in college, and, as I recall, I was taught that those= who spoke Latin long ago had no "long i" sound as in "pie&qu= ot;; thus the "i" was mostly pronounced like "ee" in gee= se. <BR> <BR> Who can add to this fascinating?c/crucial? subject?<BR> <BR> Apologies from past-scholar Jim in Wolfville<BR> ----------<BR> <B>From: </B>Christopher Majka <c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca><BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR> <B>Date: </B>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:42:18 -0400<BR> <B>To: </B>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: [NatureNS] Pileated Woodpecker nomenclature<BR> <BR> Hi Suzanne,<BR> <BR> There are many sources that one could go to, and many different opinions th= at one could (or could not) rely on, however, in this instance I advance my = case on the fact that the English word "Pileated" derives from the= Latin word=A0"<I>pileatus</I>" which consists of four=A0syllables, th= e emphasis on the first, and the=A0pronunciation=A0of the 'i' being long. Not on= ly that, but most other English words derived from the Latin root=A0"<I>p= ileus</I>" also employ a long "i" and all of them put the str= ess on the first syllable.=A0<BR> <BR> In general (not always, of course), English words formed from Latin roots, = do follow the=A0pronunciation=A0and emphasis of the original. Thus from the stan= dpoint of etymology the most "correct"=A0pronunciation=A0would be=A0&quo= t;Pie'-lea-ate-ed".=A0Usage, of course, can depart from etymology and ove= r time establish other "correct"=A0pronunciations (as so-deemed by p= illars of the English language like the O.E.D.) ;->.<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> <BR> Chris<BR> <BR> On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Suzanne Townsend wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2">It all depends on which style book you use, does= n't it? I would think that Cornell would be the most common (as in shared) r= eference for birders. Cornell says that PIE-lee-ay-tid and PILL-ee-ay-tid ar= e both correct. The site yourdictionary.com <http://yourdictionary.com>= ; does too, and has a button to hear the pronunciation.<BR> </FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> =A0<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> =A0<BR> <BR> All these=A0pronunciations=A0are out there, and arguably the birds don't actual= ly care what they are called, however, technically the correct=A0pronunciation= =A0should be "Pie'-lea-ate-ed", i.e. four=A0syllables=A0with the emphasi= s on first one and the "i" pronounced long. <BR> <BR> <BR> =A0<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Christopher Majka<BR> Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada=A0 B3H 3A6<= BR> c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML> --Boundary_(ID_j+HHOOMY3+0vWCJ97JcUTw)--
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