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--Apple-Mail-51-977211129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Jim & Dave, On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jim Wolford wrote: > And I have always advocated two ways of pronouncing "pileated", > i.e. with > long or short "i", and my personal preference is for "pill-e-ated". All these pronunciations are out there, and arguably the birds don't actually care what they are called, however, technically the correct pronunciation should be "Pie'-lea-ate-ed", i.e. four syllables with the emphasis on first one and the "i" pronounced long. Pileated comes from the Latin "pileatus" (meaning "having the form of a cap or covering") which in turn derives from the word "pileus" (meaning "a cap or hat"). The stress on these words is on the first syllable and the "i" is pronounced as a long vowel (as in the word "pile") rather than short (as in the word "pill"). "Pi-le-at- us" is a Latin word of four syllables so the English word derived from it should also be of four syllables rather than truncated to three. The point could be arguable, however, since although many words of this derivation employ long "i's" such as pileform (in the shape of a cap), Pileopsis (a genus of limpets), pileous (covered in hair), and pileus (a felt cap worn by Romans), the words pileolus (a receptacle on certain fungi), and pileorhiza (a membraneous cap at the end of a root) are pronounced with a short "i" so that the first syllable is pronounced as "pill" rather than "pile". In any event, I suspect the woodpeckers will be indifferent to one and all pronunciations. ;-> Quocunque nomine, Chris > > Cheers from Jim > ---------- > From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> > Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:14:49 -0400 > To: NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: [NatureNS] Pileated WP > > Dear All, Nov 26, 2007 > This afternoon at North Alton a Pileated (pronounced pile-at- > ed, so > I was told years ago, not pil-e-at-ed) WP came kuk-kuking in at > treetop > level as I got out of the car, did a 270 and landed out of sight > near a > White Pine that has a 2 (3?)-yr-old nesting hole. I have not seen this > hole in use but it looks the right size and initially had a lot of > resin > which may account for it not haveing been occupied. > > During the next 3 hours the PWP stayed in the general vicinity, > kuk-kuking from various quarters and flying within sight several times > but I heard no tapping suggestive of tree feeding. Would they be > staking > claims to nesting holes as early at this ? > Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville Christopher Majka Nova Scotia Museum, 1747 Summer St., Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3H 3A6 c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca --Apple-Mail-51-977211129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> Hi Jim & Dave,<div><br><div><div>On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jim = Wolford wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">And I have always advocated = two ways of pronouncing "pileated", i.e. with</span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">long or short "i", and my personal preference is for = "pill-e-ated".</div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>All = these=A0pronunciations=A0are out there, and arguably the birds don't = actually care what they are called, however, technically the = correct=A0pronunciation=A0should be "Pie'-lea-ate-ed", i.e. = four=A0syllables=A0with the emphasis on first one and the "i" pronounced = long.</div><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Pileated= comes from the Latin "<i>pileatus</i>" (meaning "having the form of a = cap or covering") which in turn derives from the word "<i>pileus</i>" = (meaning "a cap or hat"). The stress on these words is on the = first=A0syllable=A0and the "i" is pronounced as a long vowel (as in the = word "pile") rather than short (as in the word "pill"). = "<i>Pi-le-at-us</i>" is a Latin word of four syllables so the English = word derived from it should also be of four=A0syllables rather than = truncated to three.</div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The point could be = arguable, however, since although many words of this derivation employ = long "i's" such as <i>pileform</i> (in the shape of a cap), = <i>Pileopsis</i> (a genus of limpets), <i>pileous</i> (covered in hair), = and <i>pileus</i> (a felt cap worn by Romans), the words <i>pileolus</i> = (a=A0receptacle=A0on certain fungi), and <i>pileorhiza</i> (a = membraneous cap at the end of a root) are pronounced with a short "i" so = that the first syllable is pronounced as "pill" rather than = "pile".</div><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>In = any event, I suspect the woodpeckers will be indifferent to one and = all=A0pronunciations. ;-></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><i>Quocunque = nomine,</i></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Chris=A0</div><br><blockquot= e type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers from Jim</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">----------</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: David & Alison Webster = <<a = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</a>></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Reply-To: <a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></div><= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:14:49 -0400</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca">NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca</a></div><= d