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I was, well not really, in the beekeeping business. Just messed around with a dozen colonies for a few years before I came to NS. A hobby that at least payed for itself..... Learned a lot, not only by punishment.
Bee stings always hurt, no matter how many you had before. After all that's the purpose. You just learn to ignore it. One just doesn't swell up as much anymore after the first few dozen (not at once), that's pretty much the only benefit.
Bee venom allergies built over time. It takes at least one to become allergic, and the next one is the first one with the nasty effects. And having had many in the past without any ill effects (pain and local swelling aside) is also no guarantee that it stays that way forever. I knew beekeepers who were in the trade for 50+ years and after 1000s of stings in their career one suddenly knocked them over and they had to look for new hobby........
However, the ID-trick was one I learned on University field trips. One of our Profs was pretty down to earth in such things. He worked with ants in SE Asia and missed a couple of lectures with malaria episodes.....
Did you know that some ant species (native to Central Europe) can be ID by smell and taste? It really works, don't ask......
Ulli
joan waldron <waldrojo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Ulli I think you speak from experience eh! Your family in Germany are in the bee business. Am I correct?
JoanW
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Ulli Hoeger
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:20 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Do honeybees and bumblebees mix?
A simple test to discriminate between honey bees (Apis mellifera) and other similar looking species is to let them sting. If the stinger with venom bladder and some other tissue (muscle and nerve) is left behind by the bee in your skin and needs to be pulled out it was a honey bee worker, if no stinger is left behind it wasn't a honey bee that stung you. Many of the solitary bees are not capable of penetrating the human skin, no harm done. Bumble bees can and will, and it hurts a lot.
This method works, trust me, and as a side effect you will learn quickly to recognize honey bees by looking at them (I think that's referred to as learning reinforced by punishment)
Ulli
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I was, well not really, in the beekeeping business. Just messed around with a dozen colonies for a few years before I came to NS. A hobby that at least payed for itself..... Learned a lot, not only by punishment. <br>Bee stings always hurt, no matter how many you had before. After all that's the purpose. You just learn to ignore it. One just doesn't swell up as much anymore after the first few dozen (not at once), that's pretty much the only benefit. <br><br>Bee venom allergies built over time. It takes at least one to become allergic, and the next one is the first one with the nasty effects. And having had many in the past without any ill effects (pain and local swelling aside) is also no guarantee that it stays that way forever. I knew beekeepers who were in the trade for 50+ years and after 1000s of stings in their career one suddenly knocked them over and they had to look for new hobby........<br><br>However, the ID-trick was one I learned
on University field trips. One of our Profs was pretty down to earth in such things. He worked with ants in SE Asia and missed a couple of lectures with malaria episodes.....<br><br>Did you know that some ant species (native to Central Europe) can be ID by smell and taste? It really works, don't ask......<br><br>Ulli<br><br><b><i>joan waldron <waldrojo@ns.sympatico.ca></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"> <o:SmartTagType
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{size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: blue;">Ulli I think you speak from experience eh! Your family in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> are in the bee business. Am I correct?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: blue;">JoanW<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr
tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ulli Hoeger<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 24, 2007 9:20 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NatureNS] Do honeybees and bumblebees mix?</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A simple test to discriminate between honey bees (Apis mellifera) and other similar looking species is to let them sting. If the stinger with venom bladder and some other tissue (muscle and nerve) is left behind by the bee in your skin and needs to be pulled out it was a honey bee worker, if no stinger is left behind it wasn't a honey bee that stung you. Many of the solitary bees are not capable of penetrating the human skin, no harm done. Bumble bees can and will, and it hurts a lot.<br> This method works, trust me, and as a side effect you will learn quickly to recognize honey bees by looking at them (I think that's referred to as learning reinforced by punishment)<br> <br> Ulli<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"
align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.<br> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </blockquote><br><p> 
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