[NatureNS] Determining Elevation the hard way

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Hi Steve & All,                Feb 8, 2007
    It is curious how one question will often disclose the answer to 
another question. Jamie's question has solved the Oak Island mystery. 
i.e. the so-called money pit shaft was dug by a coconut-mat salesman who 
wondered how high his house was above sea level and had only a shovel 
and a rope for tools.
 
    Your formulation looks good but I would expect instrument error to 
be large & have consequently looked at a second approach; an improvized 
differential water manometer. At least that seems like a reasonable 
name. Having never used or made anything similar, it would be best to 
check this method out before using it to establish runway elevation for 
instrument landing purposes.

    Theory: This procedure makes use of the change in air pressure with 
elevation. At the initial elevation (house or mean sea level as 
convenient) water height in a transparent U-tube (both arms the same) is 
recorded just after one end is closed to the air such that air volume of 
the closed end is not changed. As rapidly as possible (to avoid 
temperature changes) the unit is moved to the other location (mean sea 
level or house) and the height of water in the two arms is recorded. If 
the initial point is not about half way between the two final points 
then there has been a change in water volume or enclosed air volume due 
to temperature changes and it may be desirable to start again. As a rule 
of thumb, a 5 cm difference from sea level would represent an elevation 
difference of about 3.9 metres.

    [DIGRESSION: If I have thought this through correctly, the 
difference in water level between the two arms will slightly or 
seriously underestimate the difference in air pressure between the two 
locations, because change in volume of the air on the closed side will 
change air pressure on the closed side. A smaller air pressure on the 
closed will be increased and a larger pressure on the closed side will 
be decreased by an amount proportional the fractional change in volume. 
It might be possible to correct for this it one had to. ]

    From observed difference (h; cm) in water level between the two arms 
(ignoring the bias described in DIGRESSION) and assuming a temperature 
of 4o C, one can estimate Z, elevation (cm) above mean sea level using

    Z= (ln po- ln p)RT/g

where ln is natural log, po is pressure in dynes/cm^2 at sea level 
(1,013,250), p is pressure at the house (1,013,250 -(h x 980)), R is 
2.87 X 10^6, T is 277o K and g is 980.

    Materials: One McGyver scrap pile, or considering component parts, a 
valve stem from a bicycle innertube, pine board about 3" wide and 8' 
long or equivalent (hinged or in two sections so it will fit in a car), 
duct tape, tacks, about 6' of 5/16 ID tygon tubing, hot water bottle 
with enema tube, ruler or metre rod secured to middle of board at eye 
level, rabbit wire, nail, spring clamp & calculator.

    Preparation & Construction: Wash the inside of the tygon tube 
thoroughly with hot water and dish detergent, heat one end in near 
boiling water, spread if necessary using a tapered stick and insert the 
valve stem (previously cut from the inner tube) business end out. 
Moistening the tube with glycerine will help.
    Boil several cups of water for at least 2 minutes (to remove 
dissolved air), add a drop of dish detergent and pour into the hot water 
bottle quickly but avoid entrained air (e.g. by funnel with bottle 
suspended in cold water), purge any air trapped from the bag corners, 
tighten enema tube stopper, fill enema tube with water slowly from below 
and store in fridge after cooling in cold water. Ideally, to avoid fussy 
temperature adjustments, the water should be at about 4o C when used and 
measurements should be taken when weather is about 4o C.
    Secure valve stem end of tube above board end using duct tape and 
tacks. The tube section at ruler level should lie near the ruler edge. 
Fasten rabbit wire to the other end to facilitate water addition. Remove 
valve stem insert entirely or have it very loose and add water to wire 
end of tube from below using the enema tube and water bottle. Adjust 
water level to near middle of ruler, wrap wire of wire end over nail & 
clamp wire to board. Tighten valve stem insert and press pin in gently, 
if necessary, so pressure (water level) of the two arms is equalized.
    As described previously, record water level, move quickly to the 
second location and record level in the two arms.

    For elevations above sea level up to 10 to 15 feet this might work 
fairly well. Do try this at home (basement to attic) and let me know 
what happened.

Yours truly, Dave Webster, Kentville



   
 

Steve Shaw wrote:

> Y  
> ........................................................................ 
> .<...................>  house level
> |      .        ,
> |              .         ,
> |                      .             ,
> H                              .                   ,
> |                                       .                     ,
> |                                               
> .                        ,
> |                               .                            ,
> 0末末末末末帽1末末末末末乏1末末末末末帽2末末末末末R2
>                                                                          
>      < - flat  beach level  ->
> I agree with Paul, you need a GPS but also at least one angle;  but, 
> if  you must try to do it the hard way:
>    In the diagram above (hoping it doesn't wrap-around on your 
> monitor  display) your house is at 'Y', at height 'H' above beach 
> level, which  projects vertically down below you to point '0' at beach 
> level.
> Tools: get out your builder's spirit level (set it up horizontally) 
> and  your telescope, and duct tape a straight stick to the telescope 
> to use  as an angle pointer.   Set the telescope exactly horizontal, 
> then  rotate it downwards to focus on a nice prominent beach rock 
> visible on  your beach at 'R1'.  Measure the angle of declination 
> (rotation) with a  simple protractor, then calculate (90-this angle), 
> to finally get a  number for the angle (0-Y-R1) =  call it angle A1.
> Re-level the telescope and rotate it down again to focus it on a more  
> distant rock on the same beach, at 'R2' .  Measure the angle of  
> declination (rotation) again, then re-calculate (90-this new angle), 
> to  get new angle (0-Y-R2) = angle A2.
> Quickly rush down to the beach before the tide comes in to cover the  
> rocks, and accurately pace out the horizontal distance from R1 to R2,  
> called 'X2'.
> You now have measured angles A1, A2, and distance X2 from R1 to R2, 
> but  don't know 'X1' which is under the cliff anyway.
> Now