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--Apple-Mail-2--818919052 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Blake, very informative and scary. I've just read these quickly =20= and second your recommendation: anyone interested in vast =20 disinformation campaigns funded by threatened commercial interests =20 should read at least the first of these excerpts, then the last. As far as I've been able to make out, none of the folks on this list so =20= far including me actually works close to this area either in academia, =20= industry or government, so Bruce Stevens' authorative commentary was an =20= eye-opener (someone in a closely related field -- presumably without =20 any conflicting interest re. the Monbiot commentaries just mentioned). =20= I'd largely agree with points 1-4 (with some reservations about =20 reviewers), but 5-7 are more interesting in what's not being said as a =20= corollary. Point 5 indicates that the multiproxy approach to this =20 problem by now has been almost completely discredited. In the language =20= of any scientific field this means that one now has to completely =20 discount the so-called hockey stick claimed result -- back to square =20 one. Bruce, in your opinion, does this mean that there is now NO useful =20 current model that predicts recent climate change with any significant =20= reliability? Or did you mean that this is an inferior model compared =20 with others that do it better? As a corollary, is it then the case =20 that the claimed excess in the upturn in average global temperature =20 (near the end of the hockey stick) simply cannot yet be associated with =20= any certainty at all with anthrogenic activity (as opposed to the =20 complicated past history of the system, plus global/astronomical cycles =20= that Dave Webster was referring to originally)? I hope I'm not =20 misinterpreting, but this last conclusion ("significant excess warming =20=
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