Proposed change to CCN template

Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:04:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David L. Potter" <potter@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: aa935@chebucto.ns.ca
cc: ccn-webmaster@chebucto.ns.ca, Editors@chebucto.ns.ca, Donna Randell <drandell@chebucto.ns.ca>, "Andrew D. Wright" <adw@chebucto.ns.ca>
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Hi Doug...

I've not bumped into this before... or at least not noticed it on other
sites... as an individual surfing along and finding myself on a page
such as the webcam page (for example) how would I know that I could
change the colours... and how would I do it (especially if I was 
having trouble with the colours)? Would I have to be a 'regular user to
know/be bothered to invoke it... as a one time or ocassional web visitor
would I bother to change the interface or just leave in frustration...?

Even if all of those questions have a positive answer, I not sure I see any 
significant benefit. From a design perspective, our 'known look and feel' 
only works if the individual has 'normal' vision, for all others, the 
look and feel is 'unknown'. 

If we design our pages to display well with the browser defaults (this 
becomes our known look and feel) then I would say we've done our job... 
whatever the user wants/needs to see should really be left to them should it 
not...???

As a fundamental design principle, I'm not sure that it makes a lot of 
sense to me for us to settle on an interface design that is known to give 
our users/visitors problems...? I would think that would qualify as a 
fundamental flaw in the the design. In the least, if there is a need for 
'work-a-rounds' to accomodate individuals with a disability it would be a 
stretch to consider it a 'friendly' site.

dlp



On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 aa935@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:

> Hi David
> 
> By imbedding a user interface option creates an environment where CCN can 
> create a web page with a known look and feel, but also permits users to 
> customize the page to meet individual requirements.
> 
> If we use the general default options, then CCN pages will have an unknown look 
> and feel.  For example,  we have a light blue <td bgColor=#deeee1> trim.  If a 
> user were to set their default vlink to the same color then a followed link 
> would 'disappear'.
> 
> The number of users who would require a customized interface should be small.  
> By offering a customized option, we are meeting special needs without imposing 
> upon the general population.
> 
> The solution presented is only important in its concept, that it is possible to 
> create an interactive options menu. Since it may not function with all 
> browsers, then we should explore other scripting possibilities (Visual Basic, 
> c++, etc.).
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting "David L. Potter" <potter@chebucto.ns.ca>:
> 
> > 
> > Netscape 4.73 produces javascript errors... however, isn't this 
> > effectively the same effect as using the 'users' default colour scheme
> > with the small added challenge that we're making them figure out another 
> > way of changing the colours...?
> > 
> > dlp
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 aa935@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all
> > > 
> > > Earlier this month when Donna presented the problem regarding followed
> > links 
> > > (vlink) colour, I threw down the challenge to allow users to customize
> > colour 
> > > selection.
> > > 
> > > For a solution see
> > > 
> > >  http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Chebucto/webmaster/vLink.htm
> > > 
> > > I've only tested this with Internet Explorer 5.
> > > 
> > > The underlying function can be adapted to modify bgColor and other BODY 
> > > attributes.
> > > 
> > > Doug McCann
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Quoting Donna Randell <drandell@chebucto.ns.ca>:
> > > 
> > > > Hi - just back from vacation and wanted to follow up on this
> > discussion....
> > > > When I view the
> > > > Recent Changes at Chebucto Page - it is still in shades of grey/green. 
> > I
> > > > guess you didn't get
> > > > around to making that colour preference change.......  I know it's not
> > just
> > > > my puter - Mom's in
> > > > Newfoundland is the same!
> > > > 
> > > > Smiles!
> > > > Donna
> > > > 
> > > > Donna Randell wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > YES!!!!!  THIS WORKS FOR ME!!!  High contrast - and everyone can
> > choose
> > > > colours that work
> > > > > for them - In my case red.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you Andrew and all for working through this problem.  I do
> > > > appreciate all you do at
> > > > > Chebucto.  And even more so now that things can work again for me,  I
> > > > hope this can go into
> > > > > place soon!
> > > > >
> > > > > THANK YOU!!!!!
> > > > > Smiles!
> > > > > Donna Randell
> > > > >
> > > > > "Andrew D. Wright" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >         Try http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~awright/test/recent2.htm.
> > This
> > > > one
> > > > > > does not specify a visited link color at all, using whatever your
> > > > browser
> > > > > > defaults to for the visited link color. On my copies of Netscape
> > and
> > > > > > Internet Explorer, this comes out as purple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Donna Randell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Andrew and all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes I can see a difference with the new version - barely.  I am
> > sorry
> > > > but pastel
> > > > > > > shades are my weakness.  Again - I have never been classified as
> > > > colour blind but
> > > > > > > strong or vivid colours work for me.  Now as a woman I understand
> > > > your trying to
> > > > > > > colour co-ordinate the page..... so could you use that pale green
> > to
> > > > indicate tried
> > > > > > > links.....  In my humble opinion it's something like that or
> > using
> > > > stronger colours -
> > > > > > > like the brighter green in the Chebucto Logo......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Smiles!
> > > > > > > Donna
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Andrew D. Wright" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >         Hi Donna. I've read your comments about having
> &g