[NatureNS] Question: Starling Behaviour

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Your point is well-taken John, thank you.  I understood the ABA as lumping =
playback and mob calls together as =93recordings and other audio methods.=
=94  Given that using audio in the field is stressful for birds, why doesn=
=92t the ABA Code of Ethics state that audio is only acceptable for bird st=
udies and not for hobby birding?

I would love to have a members meeting on this topic, a panel discussion on=
 the pros and cons of using audio (with regard to the birds needs and not o=
ur own).  And while I am dreaming, an outline of what the =91limits=92 are:=
 when it is okay and when it is not okay, assuming it is okay at times.

I will admit (gulp!) that I have used audio and have been a bystander to it=
s use.  A clear ethical code and explicit agreements about its use in Nova =
Scotia may help change practices here.



From: "naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on be=
half of John Kearney <j.f.kearney@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 1:07 PM
To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Question: Starling Behaviour

Please note Diane that I directed my remarks about unethical birding to the=
 play-back of mobbing calls, which does not avoid but instead aims to stres=
s birds. I do agree with you that many dimensions of birding and ornitholog=
y disturb birds. We need to reassess our actions continually. How much of o=
ur intervention in the life of birds stems from meeting their needs or our =
needs? Science-based evidence is a useful tool, but it is not enough. We al=
so need to decide what kind of relationship we want to have with them. If i=
t is one of respect, and understanding our lives as intertwined with theirs=
, then many of our practices may have to be called into question.
John

From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca On Behalf Of Diane LeBlanc
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:50
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Starling Behaviour

With regard to playback and mob calls, the ABA Code of Ethics limits but do=
es not ban the use of audio: Here is an excerpt from their Code of Ethics:

=93Avoid stressing birds or exposing them to danger. Be particularly cautio=
us around active nests and nesting colonies, roosts, display sites, and fee=
ding sites. Limit the use of recordings and other audio methods of attracti=
ng birds, particularly in heavily birded areas, for species that are rare i=
n the area, and for species that are threatened or endangered. Always exerc=
ise caution and restraint when photographing, recording, or otherwise appro=
aching birds.=94

Audubon is more lenient: Here is an excerpt from their website:

=93Playback is one of the most powerful tools in a birder=92s struggle to s=
ee birds in the wild. It will arouse the curiosity of any species at any ti=
me of year, but it works best on territorial species during nesting season.=
 Birds that might otherwise be too shy to come into the open can be attract=
ed by the sound of a potential rival. Whether this trickery has any signifi=
cant impact on the birds is not so clear.

Fundamentally, birding disturbs birds. Everything we do has an impact on th=
em. But in some situations playback can be less disruptive than other metho=
ds of attracting birds, at times even less disruptive than sitting quietly =
and waiting for a bird to show. Proponents argue that playback reduces the =
need to physically enter and disturb a bird=92s habitat and, unlike pishing=
, targets a single species.=94

So, it is no wonder that birders may feel that it=92s okay to use mob calls=
 and bird recording to attract birds.

I suggest that changing this birder behaviour requires scientific evidence =
followed by strong peer pressure.  I=92d be very interested to see studies,=
 and, in particular, meta-analyses on this topic. The NSBS is strongly comm=
itted to putting birds first but we need to be in a defensible position bef=
ore making recommendations.

Just my thoughts!

Diane


From: "naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>"=
 <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>> on b=
ehalf of Shouty McShoutsalot <desolatechair@gmail.com<mailto:desolatechair@=
gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>" <nature=
ns@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 11:04 AM
To: naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Starling Behaviour

Education is incremental.  However there birders who should know better who=
 still employ pishing.

On Wed., May 20, 2020, 08:08 John Kearney, <j.f.kearney@gmail.com<mailto:j.=
f.kearney@gmail.com>> wrote:
That is unfortunate, and those who are doing so are not following the ethic=
al guidelines of Birds Canada and the American Birding Association. In some=
 cases, judicious use of playback is considered permissible for conservatio=
n research. However, as noted in an earlier discussion in this forum, this =
is increasingly unnecessary with the availability of autonomous recording u=
nits.

From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> O=
n Behalf Of Shouty McShoutsalot
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 07:21
To: naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Question: Starling Behaviour

Re mobbing calls regrettably it is still a common practice among birders.  =
With cell phones and birding apps its easy to produce and playback them at =
will.

On Tue., May 19, 2020, 21:38 John Kearney, <j.f.kearney@gmail.com<mailto:j.=
f.kearney@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Burkhard,
Many bird species have mobbing calls. You may have seen the Black-capped Ch=
ickadee doing this many times. Perhaps you thought it was curious about you=
 but more likely, it was letting other birds know of your presence. One of =
the fascinating things about mobbing calls is that some species understand =
the unique mobbing calls of another species as a mobbing call and will join=
 in multi-species harassment of a predator. Mobbing works, it is believed, =
not so much because the predator is frightened, but because it has been out=
ed. It has lost the advantage of a surprise attack. In the past, birders wo=
uld play recordings of mobbing calls to at