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This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0530_01D61FA7.3DBE4ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This might be interesting to you statisticians: = https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-death-projections-compare= -causes-of-death/?utm_source=3DSTAT+Newsletters = <https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-death-projections-compar= e-causes-of-death/?utm_source=3DSTAT+Newsletters&utm_campaign=3D64eff25ec= 7-Daily_Recap&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3D0_8cab1d7961-64eff25ec7-15048= 6637> = &utm_campaign=3D64eff25ec7-Daily_Recap&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3D0_8c= ab1d7961-64eff25ec7-150486637 =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca On Behalf Of Stephen Shaw Sent: April 30, 2020 8:48 PM To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Covid lock down =20 Hi Nancy,=20 Strange?=E2=80=94 no. You must have missed Rick Whitman=E2=80=99s reply = to David, and David=E2=80=99s response acknowledging that Rick was = correct in pinpointing the fatal flaw in the banned video talk. The = =E2=80=9Canalysis=E2=80=9D the guy in the video gives is nonsense, but = he sounds slick enough -- he presumably is deliberately intending to = mislead the audience, us: that is, he has a hidden agenda to push. The = argument the guy gives may sound convincing but it is not, so perhaps = numbers may help. =20 Say that epidemiologists round up 100 people whom they have good reason = think probably have (or have had) covid-19, test them and find that 99 = actually do have covid. On video logic, they'd want to say, = extrapolating, that 99 percent of the larger population must have been = infected, a huge number, 39 million folk in California. If a relatively = low number of people in CA have died (~1200 they said) it sounds as if a = only tiny fraction of those infected have died, so the death rate must = be extremely low =E2=80=94 heck, it=E2=80=99s no worse than flu. This = is a totally biased, bogus and wrong conclusion because it=E2=80=99s not = based on random sampling. It doesn=E2=80=99t matter if they calculate = a 12% rate not 99%, it is just as phoney an analysis and wrong. =20 If the surveyors instead round up 10,000 people randomly from the = population (with no prior knowledge of whether they are or are not = infected), test this larger number and find that the same 99 people are = infected, they will estimate correctly that only about 1 percent of the = larger population is actually infected, now very small proportion (99 = out of 10,000 =3D 0.99% =E2=89=88 1%). Since this number is way lower = than the bogus video estimate while the number of dead stays the same, = 1200, the actual death rate must be much higher than the bogus video = estimates claim. =20 To know the true current infection rate would be really useful, but = needs random sampling and is not going to happen widely in present = circumstances, if at all. As you saw from the local front-line = doctor=E2=80=99s touching e-mail here recently, she and colleagues are = working flat out already, and it is also clear from TV reports that = medics are pushed to find test and PPE materials both here and in USA. = If you perform random tests on 10,000 people and find that most are not = infected, those tests are not useful in the sense that they do not help = diagnose those patients who actually are infected, and are actually = harmful in taking time, money and supplies away from already overworked = heath care personal. Not going to happen in the current situation.=20 =20 It would be useful, though, to have non-bogus estimates to see what the = current infection rate really is, to gauge whether countries are heading = upwards towards 80% of the population infected as suggested by earlier = UK modeling, should no lock-down precautions be taken. Or are we now = heading to an 80% overall infection anyway with a flattened curve, just = much more slowly and integrated over a much longer time scale? =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------- =20 On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:56 PM, N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com = <mailto:nrobbyn@gmail.com> > wrote: Thank you, David, for finding this video that was banned by YouTube - = very strange... =20 I find these doctors very responsible, finally someone putting the gross = numbers into perspective; i.e. looking at per capita rates and death = rates compared to other illnesses. I have not heard any news reports = since the beginning of this pandemic telling us how many people die = every day of many causes. It is as if without Covid 19, nobody dies. = The doctors' extrapolations to the wider population should be examined = more closely. I notice, however, that they mentioned increased domestic = violence, etc. as a side effect of the shutdown, but gave no numbers. = Nor did the reporters ask how many, within what time frame and how many = more than "usual". =20 =20 My take on the pandemic has been that Mother Earth said "Enough is = enough" and found a way to shut the whole world down. Brilliant! =20 I do hope that this pause in our lives will actually raise awareness of = the wasteful way we live, increase our sensitivity to the natural world = and force us to deal with our contribution to climate change. These = doctors do not address that. They mention vaccines as a solution, at = least in part, but do not mention anything about people improving their = lifestyles, especially their diets, which would go a long way to = mitigating the effects of the virus on individuals as well as on society = as a whole. =20 Nancy =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:58 PM <dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca = <mailto:dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca> > wrote: Another aspect of this video that concerns me is the side effects of the = virus. I didn=E2=80=99t listen all the way to the end, but I understand = there are considerable possibilities of damage to lungs, heart, and = other organs, which can be long-lasting. They didn=E2=80=99t seem to be = taking this into account. Also, they seemed to be suggesting that our natural immunity will be = compromised by staying at home for a couple of months; but is that = really true?=20 I, like many people I know, are at least a tiny bit hopeful that when = the economy does start up again, people will be more respectful of the = environment, now that we=E2=80=99ve seen the possibility that our earth = can recover from human depredation. Pipe dream?=20 Jane =20 From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca = <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> On Behalf Of Rick Whitman Sent: April 30, 2020 11:57 AM To: naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Covid lock down =20 Dave, I don't think this was helpful. You have at least as much Stats as = I do. The fraction of the population that has been tested for covid-19 = in every single one of these states and countries has been hugely biased = towards those showing symptoms or very known contact. It has been VERY = difficult for anyone else to get tested. =20 Therefore, the extrapolation of the positive infection rates in these = tested populations, to the entire populations of each state or country, = is absolutely BOGUS. =20 Therefore, the calculation of death rates from actual known deaths and = BOGUS estimates of infected populations, is entirely BOGUS and massively = under-estimates the death rate of those truly infected by covid-19. =20 I could probably go further but there isn't any point. =20 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 09:34, David Webster <dwebster@glinx.com = <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com> > wrote: Dear All, This item on Facebook is I think relevant to our current conditions = re access to nature. https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLp53rpJ2B7i/?fbclid=3DIwAR1yRlC5SAPFgLvbl= stoMSbi6km9cxFBN43ZIuyExf10UVs9gUk2A5yDMgA Dave, Kentville --=20 Nancy Robinson 514-605-7186 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0530_01D61FA7.3DBE4ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-CA link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This might be = interesting to you statisticians: </span><a = href=3D"https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-death-projections= -compare-causes-of-death/?utm_source=3DSTAT+Newsletters&utm_campaign=3D= 64eff25ec7-Daily_Recap&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3D0_8cab1d7961= -64eff25ec7-150486637">https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-de= ath-projections-compare-causes-of-death/?utm_source=3DSTAT+Newsletters&am= p;utm_campaign=3D64eff25ec7-Daily_Recap&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_te= rm=3D0_8cab1d7961-64eff25ec7-150486637</a><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di= v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> = naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen = Shaw<br><b>Sent:</b> April 30, 2020 8:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> = naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Covid lock = down<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Nancy, = <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Strange?=E2=80=94 no. You = must have missed Rick Whitman=E2=80=99s reply to David, and = David=E2=80=99s response acknowledging that Rick was correct in = pinpointing the fatal flaw in the banned video talk. The = =E2=80=9Canalysis=E2=80=9D the guy in the video gives is nonsense, but = he sounds slick enough -- he presumably is deliberately intending to = mislead the audience, us: that is, he has a hidden agenda to push. = The argument the guy gives may sound convincing but it is not, so = perhaps numbers may help.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Say that epidemiologists round up 100 people whom they = have good reason think probably have (or have had) covid-19, test them = and find that 99 actually do have covid. On video logic, they'd = want to say, extrapolating, that 99 percent of the larger population = must have been infected, a huge number, 39 million folk in California. = If a relatively low number of people in CA have died (~1200 they said) = it sounds as if a only tiny fraction of those infected have died, so the = death rate must be extremely low =E2=80=94 heck, it=E2=80=99s no worse = than flu. This is a totally biased, bogus and wrong conclusion = because it=E2=80=99s not based on random sampling. It = doesn=E2=80=99t matter if they calculate a 12% rate not 99%, it is just = as phoney an analysis and wrong.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>If the surveyors instead round up 10,000 people = randomly from the population (with no prior knowledge of whether they = are or are not infected), test this larger number and find that the same = 99 people are infected, they will estimate correctly that only about 1 = percent of the larger population is actually infected, now very small = proportion (99 out of 10,000 =3D 0.99% =E2=89=88 1%). Since this = number is way lower than the bogus video estimate while the number of = dead stays the same, 1200, the actual death rate must be much higher = than the bogus video estimates claim.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>To know the true current infection rate would be = really useful, but needs random sampling and is not going to happen = widely in present circumstances, if at all. As you saw from the = local front-line doctor=E2=80=99s touching e-mail here recently, she and = colleagues are working flat out already, and it is also clear from TV = reports that medics are pushed to find test and PPE materials both here = and in USA. If you perform random tests on 10,000 people and find = that most are not infected, those tests are not useful in the sense that = they do not help diagnose those patients who actually are infected, and = are actually harmful in taking time, money and supplies away from = already overworked heath care personal. Not going to happen in the = current situation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>It would be useful, though, to have non-bogus = estimates to see what the current infection rate really is, to gauge = whether countries are heading upwards towards 80% of the population = infected as suggested by earlier UK modeling, should no lock-down = precautions be taken. Or are we now heading to an 80% overall = infection anyway with a flattened curve, just much more slowly and = integrated over a much longer time scale? = <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>-------------------------------------------------------= <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:56 PM, N Robinson <<a = href=3D"mailto:nrobbyn@gmail.com">nrobbyn@gmail.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you, David, for finding this video that was = banned by YouTube - very strange...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = find these doctors very responsible, finally someone putting the gross = numbers into perspective; i.e. looking at per capita rates and death = rates compared to other illnesses. I have not heard any news = reports since the beginning of this pandemic telling us how many people = die every day of many causes. It is as if without Covid 19, nobody = dies. The doctors' extrapolations to the wider population should = be examined more closely. I notice, however, that they mentioned = increased domestic violence, etc. as a side effect of the shutdown, but = gave no numbers. Nor did the reporters ask how many, within what = time frame and how many more than "usual". = <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>My take on the pandemic has been that Mother Earth = said "Enough is enough" and found a way to shut the whole = world down. Brilliant!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = do hope that this pause in our lives will actually raise awareness of = the wasteful way we live, increase our sensitivity to the natural world = and force us to deal with our contribution to climate change. = These doctors do not address that. They mention vaccines as a = solution, at least in part, but do not mention anything about people = improving their lifestyles, especially their diets, which would go a = long way to mitigating the effects of the virus on individuals as well = as on society as a whole.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Nancy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:58 PM <<a = href=3D"mailto:dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca" = target=3D"_blank">dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = lang=3DEN-US>Another aspect of this video that concerns me is the side = effects of the virus. I didn=E2=80=99t listen all the way to the = end, but I understand there are considerable possibilities of damage to = lungs, heart, and other organs, which can be long-lasting. They = didn=E2=80=99t seem to be taking this into = account.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = lang=3DEN-US>Also, they seemed to be suggesting that our natural = immunity will be compromised by staying at home for a couple of months; = but is that really true? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = lang=3DEN-US>I, like many people I know, are at least a tiny bit hopeful = that when the economy does start up again, people will be more = respectful of the environment, now that we=E2=80=99ve seen the = possibility that our earth can recover from human depredation. = Pipe dream? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = lang=3DEN-US>Jane</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = lang=3DEN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span = lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> <a = href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" = target=3D"_blank">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <b>On Behalf Of = </b>Rick Whitman<br><b>Sent:</b> April 30, 2020 11:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> = naturens <<a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" = target=3D"_blank">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: = [NatureNS] Covid lock down</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dave, I = don't think this was helpful. You have at least as much Stats as I do. = The fraction of the population that has been tested for covid-19 in = every single one of these states and countries has been hugely biased = towards those showing symptoms or very known contact. It has been VERY = difficult for anyone else to get tested.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Therefore, = the extrapolation of the positive infection rates in these tested = populations, to the entire populations of each state or country, is = absolutely BOGUS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Therefore, = the calculation of death rates from actual known deaths and BOGUS = estimates of infected populations, is entirely BOGUS and massively = under-estimates the death rate of those truly infected by = covid-19.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I could = probably go further but there isn't any = point.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, 30 = Apr 2020 at 09:34, David Webster <<a = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com" = target=3D"_blank">dwebster@glinx.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm = 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5= .0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor = rgb(204,204,204)'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear = All,<br><br> This item on Facebook is I think = relevant to our current conditions <br>re access to nature.<br><br><a = href=3D"https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLp53rpJ2B7i/?fbclid=3DIwAR1yRlC5S= APFgLvblstoMSbi6km9cxFBN43ZIuyExf10UVs9gUk2A5yDMgA" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLp53rpJ2B7i/?fbclid=3DI= wAR1yRlC5SAPFgLvblstoMSbi6km9cxFBN43ZIuyExf10UVs9gUk2A5yDMgA</a><br><br>D= ave, = Kentville<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div= ><p class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><br>-- = <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di= v><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nancy Robinson<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>514-605-7186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></di= v></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_0530_01D61FA7.3DBE4ED0--
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