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As long as I've lived along the Bras d'Or, there have been lots of American
Eagles. They were hacked from here in the '80s in the successful efforts to
restore eagles to Massachusetts, New York, and Michigan=E2=80=94including c=
hicks
from my property.
The only birds I ever see interacting with them are crows and gulls, always
with the eagle as harrassee.
As for osprey, wildlife text who thought nothing of climbing an eagle's
tree always seemed chary of osprey nests.
Benjamin Franklin allegedly opposed making the eagle America's official
bird because he thought it too cowardly. (He favored the turkey, so the
story goes.)
Interesting your experience is so different.
On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 12:08 a.m. Ronald Arsenault, <rongarsenault@gmail.co=
m>
wrote:
> Thanks for that Paul,
>
> I do recall the tern colonies on PEI but the only free range farm animals
> I remember were chickens, ducks and geese. I do not recall other farm
> animals being intentionally allowed to free range, but I certainly rememb=
er
> these regularly escaping from their pastures or other enclosures.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:39 AM rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca <
> rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron and All
>> If you want to see how fast Eagles are, go to Blue Beach
>> and fish for stripers. The Eagles will sit on the trees behind you
>> - throw out a piece of bait and its whoosh the Eagle has it.
>> Quite amazing.
>> Terns seem to have good defense against air borne predators
>> but not so much against four legged mammals who travel by night.
>> Skunks, Minks, Raccoons and so on.
>> I don't know if you can remember the tern colonies on PEI.
>> The birds were in attack mode in the day so an Eagle took
>> its chances but at night little defense.
>> In my young days on PEI in the days of free range hens, sheep and lambs
>> an Eagle or any big bird of prey was living dangerously if it came on a
>> visit.
>> Probably didn't make the same mistake twice!
>> Enjoy the spring
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On April 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM Ronald Arsenault <rongarsenault@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John and all,
>>
>> On a number of occasions I have witnessed Bald Eagles harassing Ospreys
>> after the latter had captured a fish. The eagle, flying high above the
>> osprey, would dive bomb the osprey causing the bird to drop the fish. T=
he
>> dive was "J" shaped, with the eagle turning up just before contact with =
the
>> osprey would have occurred. It would then have to turn and head down and=
go
>> after the fish. In a spectacular display of speed and maneuverability, I
>> have seen the eagle catch the fish in its talon before the fish hit the
>> water! In fairness, though, I have also seen them miss.
>>
>> While the Bald Eagle understandably has the reputation of being a
>> lumbering flyer who prefers feeding of carrion, they are very capable
>> predators with impressive flying abilities, in both speed and
>> maneuverability.
>>
>> Growing up on PEI in the 60's and early 70's, I never saw a Bald Eagle.
>> Not a single one! This is quite a contrast with the situation today wher=
e I
>> see eagles on a regular basis when visiting PEI.
>>
>> As for their impact on other species, I started visiting parts of
>> Antigonish and Guysborough counties in the late 70's. In the early years=
, I
>> saw many ospreys, while eagles were few and far between. These days, I g=
o
>> to that area of the province much more infrequently, however the relativ=
e
>> abundance of these species appears to have reversed. I frequently see Ba=
ld
>> Eagles, while I rarely see ospreys. Obviously this is anecdotal only, bu=
t I
>> would love to see actual figures.
>>
>> I also remember reading that the increase in eagle numbers had a negativ=
e
>> impact on the seabird colonies on the Bird Islands off Cape Breton. I am
>> hoping someone can add details to this.
>>
>> Stay safe
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:24 AM John and Nhung < nhungjohn@eastlink.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm ... some of us have seen eagles attacking gulls.
>>
>> Wonder if that might have some effect on terns, which are not nearly as
>> common as a generation or two ago.
>>
>> Has anyone seen eagle-osprey interactions? I've heard of predation on
>> osprey nests, but am not sure how common that is.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:
>> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Burkhard Plache
>> Sent: April 5, 2020 12:27 AM
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] bird notes, March 22 to 31, 2020 -- eagle nests
>> etc.
>>
>> To your claim that gulls increased in numbers:
>> My understanding is that they took advantage of open landfills
>> and also discard of fishing fleets. At least that is the common
>> understanding of the situation in Europe.
>> With the closure of open landfills, gull numbers declined.
>>
>> My remark should not distract from the fact that human
>> interventions (intentional or unintentional) tend to have
>> unexpected and/or unintended consequences.
>>
>> Burkhard
>>
>> --------------
>> Re: David Webster
>>
>> [...] This reminds my of the Sea Gull cycle.
>>
>> The common Gull became threatened in the early 1900's due to
>> harvesting of eggs for food so egg gathering was forbidden. They
>> responded gradually and eventually became so abundant that they were
>> threatening Terns.
>>
>> A sensible solution would have been to allow Sea Gull egg
>> harvesting but instead people were hired (or rounded up) to make
>> distracting noises whenever a male gull was about to get lucky in
>> areas where Terns also nested.
>>
>> So one by one, and I would not care to predict what will take the
>> hit, but logically waterfowl which frequent fresh water/coastal water
>> will be vulnerable. Perhaps even Sea gulls or Terns.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ronald G. Arsenault
>> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ronald G. Arsenault
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">As long as I've lived along the Bras d'Or, there =
have been lots of American Eagles. They were hacked from here in the '8=
0s in the successful efforts to restore eagles to Massachusetts, New York, =
and Michigan=E2=80=94including chicks from my property.<div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">The only birds I ever see interacting with them a=
re crows and gulls, always with the eagle as harrassee.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As for osprey, wildlife text who thou=
ght nothing of climbing an eagle's tree always seemed chary of osprey n=
ests.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Benjamin Franklin =
allegedly opposed making the eagle America's official bird because he t=
hought it too cowardly. (He favored the turkey, so the story goes.)</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Interesting your experience is =
so different.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 12:08=
a.m. Ronald Arsenault, <<a href=3D"mailto:rongarsenault@gmail.com">rong=
arsenault@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Tha=
nks for that Paul,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">=
I do recall the tern colonies on PEI but the only free range farm animals I=
remember were chickens, ducks and geese. I do not recall other farm animal=
s being intentionally allowed to free range, but I certainly remember these=
regularly escaping from their=C2=A0pastures or other enclosures.</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">All the best,</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:large">Ron</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:39 AM <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatic=
o.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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=20
=20
=20
<div>
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<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Hi Ron and All</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">If you want to see how fast Eagles are, g=
o to Blue Beach</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">and fish for stripers. The Eagles will si=
t on the trees behind you</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">- throw out a piece of bait and its whoos=
h the Eagle has it.</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Quite amazing.=C2=A0</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Terns seem to have good defense against a=
ir borne predators</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">but not so much against four legged mamma=
ls who travel by night.</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Skunks, Minks, Raccoons and so on.</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I don't know if you can remember the =
tern colonies on PEI.</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The birds were in attack mode in the day =
so an Eagle took</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">its chances but at night little defense.<=
/span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">In my young days on PEI in the days of fr=
ee range hens, sheep and lambs</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">an Eagle or any big bird of prey was livi=
ng dangerously if it came on a visit.</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Probably didn't make the same mistake=
twice!</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Enjoy the spring</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Paul</span>
</div>=20
<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span>
</div>=20
<blockquote style=3D"margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:1px so=
lid blue" type=3D"cite">
On April 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM Ronald Arsenault <<a href=3D"mailto:rong=
arsenault@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rongarsenault@gma=
il.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
Hi John and all,
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
On a number of occasions I have witnessed Bald Eagles harassing Osprey=
s after the latter had captured a fish. The eagle, flying high above the os=
prey, would dive bomb the osprey causing the bird to drop the fish.=C2=A0 T=
he dive was "J" shaped, with the eagle turning up just before con=
tact with the osprey would have occurred. It would then have to turn and he=
ad down and go after the fish. In a=C2=A0spectacular display of speed and m=
aneuverability, I have seen the eagle catch the fish in its talon before th=
e fish hit the water! In fairness, though, I have also seen them miss.
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
While the Bald Eagle understandably has the reputation of being a lumb=
ering flyer who prefers feeding of carrion, they are very capable predators=
with impressive flying abilities, in both speed and maneuverability.=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
Growing up on PEI=C2=A0 in the 60's and early 70's, I never sa=
w a Bald Eagle. Not a single one! This is quite a contrast with the situati=
on today where I see eagles on a regular basis when visiting PEI.
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
As for their impact on other species, I started visiting parts of Anti=
gonish and Guysborough counties in the late 70's. In the early years, I=
saw many ospreys, while eagles were few and far between. These days, I go =
to that area of the province much more infrequently, however the relative a=
bundance of these species appears to have reversed. I frequently see Bald E=
agles, while I rarely see ospreys. Obviously this is anecdotal only, but I =
would love to see actual figures.
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
I also remember reading that the increase in eagle numbers had a negat=
ive impact on the seabird colonies on the Bird Islands off Cape Breton. I a=
m hoping someone can add details to this.
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
Stay safe
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">
Ron
</div>=20
</div>=20
<br>=20
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:24 AM John and Nhung <
<a href=3D"mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">nhungjohn@eastlink.ca</a>> wrote:
</div>=20
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb=
(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Hmm ... some of us have seen eagles attacking gulls.=C2=A0=20
<br>=20
<br> Wonder if that might have some effect on terns, which are not nea=
rly as common as a generation or two ago.=20
<br>=20
<br> Has anyone seen eagle-osprey interactions?=C2=A0 I've heard o=
f predation on osprey nests, but am not sure how common that is.=20
<br>=20
<br> -----Original Message-----
<br> From:=20
<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> [mailto:
<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] On Behalf Of Burkhard Pl=
ache
<br> Sent: April 5, 2020 12:27 AM
<br> To:=20
<a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>
<br> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] bird notes, March 22 to 31, 2020 -- eagle=
nests etc.
<br>=20
<br> To your claim that gulls increased in numbers:
<br> My understanding is that they took advantage of open landfills
<br> and also discard of fishing fleets.=C2=A0 At least that is the co=
mmon
<br> understanding of the situation in Europe.
<br> With the closure of open landfills, gull numbers declined.
<br>=20
<br> My remark should not distract from the fact that human
<br> interventions (intentional or unintentional) tend to have
<br> unexpected and/or unintended consequences.
<br>=20
<br> Burkhard
<br>=20
<br> --------------
<br> Re: David Webster
<br>=20
<br> [...] This reminds my of the Sea Gull cycle.
<br>=20
<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The common Gull became threatened in the early 1900=
's due to
<br> harvesting of eggs for food so egg gathering was=C2=A0 forbidden.=
They
<br> responded gradually and eventually became so abundant that they w=
ere
<br> threatening Terns.
<br>=20
<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A sensible solution would have been to allow Sea Gu=
ll egg
<br> harvesting but instead people were hired (or rounded up) to make
<br> distracting noises whenever a male gull was about to get lucky in
<br> areas where Terns also nested.
<br>=20
<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 So one by one, and I would not care to predict what=
will take the
<br> hit, but logically waterfowl which frequent fresh water/coastal w=
ater
<br> will be vulnerable. Perhaps even Sea gulls or Terns.
<br>=20
</blockquote>=20
</div>=20
<br clear=3D"all">=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div> --=20
<br>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">=20
<div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
Ronald G. Arsenault
<br>Halifax, Nova Scotia
</div>=20
</div>=20
</div>=20
</div>=20
</blockquote>=20
<div>
<br>=C2=A0
</div>
=20
</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ronald G. Arsenault<br>Halifax, Nov=
a Scotia</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
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