Re[2]: [NatureNS] Future of Forests.

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Hi David S. & All,
The following link is relevant...
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-disturbances/deforestation/172=
04?fbclid=3D
  In brief, and drawing on memory, in a 25 year cross Canada survey, the=20
area temporarily deforested by fire, tree death and insect attack was 21=20
times the area deforested by cutting. Experience in the west likely=20
predominated in this survey and I suspect climate change was the=20
predominant force. They did not include wind damage likely because it is=20
difficult to survey.
     So of the total area temporarily deforested, cutting was responsible=
=20
for 4.54 % and "natural causes" 95.45%.
     My conclusion is; 21 is much larger than 1 and concern should be=20
addressed to the greater effect. Annuals quickly recover from a bad year=20
but trees must have acceptable weather throughout their life.
     Our trees can tolerate freaky weather (I think except wind damage)=20
but not dry conditions which kill root ends and allow entry of fungi. =20
One proactive approach would be to improve soil conditions where=20
feasible and one of the more promising approaches involves carbon=20
storage. Charcoal does not decay and finely powdered charcoal increases=20
water and nutrient capacity of soil (see terra preta).
     There are large areas of coarse sandy soil in Kings Co. and=20
Shelburne Co. Powdered charcoal thoroughly mixed with this soil to a=20
depth of 2-3 metres would be interesting on a trial basis. It would be a=20
simple to lay out a replicated trial.
YT, DW, Kentville

------ Original Message ------
From: "David Simpson" <david.sonsimp@gmail.com>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: 3/19/2019 9:04:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Future of Forests.

>If I had a woodlot, I would take your assessment seriously. And given=20
>the threat of mass die offs of our native trees, I would be thinking=20
>about planting trees that could survive into the future, native or not,=20
>with the idea that trees of any species are better than no trees at=20
>all.
>
>Dave in Curry's Corner
>
>David Simpson
>(902) 580 8007
>david.sonsimp@gmail.com
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:03 PM David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>>Dear All,
>>     Despite all the wailing about forestry practices, the natural=20
>>world in NS has had only two serious problems over the last 60 years;=20
>>the threat of climate change and mindless pursuit of the horizon which=20
>>has led to  ever wider roads and wholesale degradation and=20
>>fragmentation of habitat. For example with respect to frogs the=20
>>relevant question is not "Why are they uncommon ?" but "How have any=20
>>survived ?"
>>     With the increasingly erratic weather, starting about 1990 but=20
>>gathering steam only since about 2013 It is unlikely that NS will be=20
>>forested in 60 years time; a consequence not of cutting but of erratic=20
>>weather.
>>     In my woodlot, death of conifers due to prolonged dry periods has=20
>>dominated choices since 2000, or for sections remote from a road=20
>>overstocked Fir has been replaced by junk shrubs and since 2013 wind=20
>>has uprooted, snapped off or leaned  more trees than I and a friend=20
>>can salvage.
>>     If the projections are correct, that only 12 years remain before=20
>>runaway climate change takes over, you may be sure that forests will=20
>>not fare well.
>>YT, DW, Kentville
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>Hi David S. &amp; All,</div><div>The following link is relevant...</div><d=
iv><a href=3D"https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-disturbances/def=
orestation/17204?fbclid=3D">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-di=
sturbances/deforestation/17204?fbclid=3D</a></div><div>=C2=A0In brief, and=
 drawing on memory, in a 25 year cross Canada survey, the area temporarily d=
eforested by fire, tree death and insect attack was 21 times the area defor=
ested by cutting. Experience in the west likely predominated in this survey =
and I suspect climate change was the predominant force. They did not inclu=
de wind damage likely because it is difficult to survey.=C2=A0</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So of the total area temporarily deforested, cutting was resp=
onsible for 4.54 % and "natural causes" 95.45%.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 My=
 conclusion is; 21 is much larger than 1 and concern should be addressed to=
 the greater effect. Annuals quickly recover from a bad year but trees must=
 have acceptable weather throughout their life.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 Our trees can tolerate freaky weather (I think except wind damage) but=
 not dry conditions which kill root ends and allow entry of fungi.=C2=A0 One =
proactive approach would be to improve soil conditions where feasible and=
 one of the more promising approaches involves carbon storage. Charcoal does =
not decay and finely powdered charcoal increases water and nutrient capaci=
ty of soil (see terra preta).</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are large areas =
of coarse sandy soil in Kings Co. and Shelburne Co. Powdered charcoal thor=
oughly mixed with this soil to a depth of 2-3 metres would be interesting o=
n a trial basis. It would be a simple to lay out a replicated trial.=C2=A0<=
/div><div>YT, DW, Kentville</div>
<div><br /></div>
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<div>From: "David Simpson" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david.sonsimp@gmail.com">d=
avid.sonsimp@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
</a></div>
<div>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:04:53 AM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Future of Forests.</div><div><br /></div>
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>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If I had a woodlot, I would take your assessment seri=
ously. And given the threat of mass die offs of our native trees, I would b=
e thinking about planting trees that could survive into the future, native=
 or not, with the idea that trees of any species are better than no trees at =
all.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><br clear=3D"all" /><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:small"=
><i style=3D"color:rgb(255,0,0);font-size:large">Dave in Curry's Corner</i>=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><i style=3D"color:rgb(255,0,0);font-si=
ze:large"><br /></i></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font color=3D"#0=
00000" size=3D"2">David Simpson</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D=
"#000000" size=3D"2">(902) 580 8007</font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000=
" size=3D"2"><a href=3D"mailto:david.sonsimp@gmail.com">david.sonsimp@gmail=
.com</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br /></div><br /><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 18, 201=
9 at 8:03 PM David &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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<div>Dear All,<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Despite all the wailing about forestry pra=
ctices, the natural world in NS has had only two serious problems over the=
 last 60 years; the threat of climate change and mindless pursuit of the hor=
izon which has led to =C2=A0ever wider roads and wholesale degradation and=
 fragmentation of habitat. For example with respect to frogs the relevant qu=
estion is not "Why are they uncommon ?" but "How have any survived ?"</div>=
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 With the increasingly erratic weather, starting about 19=
90 but gathering steam only since about 2013 It is unlikely that NS will be =
forested in 60 years time; a consequence not of cutting but of erratic wea=
ther.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 In my woodlot, death of conifers due to =
prolonged dry periods has dominated choices since 2000, or for sections re=
mote from a road overstocked Fir has been replaced by junk shrubs and since =
2013 wind has uprooted, snapped off or leaned =C2=A0more trees than I and=
 a friend can salvage.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If the projections are=
 correct, that only 12 years remain before runaway climate change takes over=
, you may be sure that forests will not fare well.</div><div>YT, DW, Kentvi=
lle</div></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div>
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