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Hi All,
To refresh a nag, it would be great if someone could get a=20
datalogger into some of these barns where Swifts have productive nests.=20
True enough, temperature tolerances may be very wide but data would=20
guide future construction of nest sites e.g. on roofs. Nests are thought=20
to be ample but are Raccoon-proof nesting sites really ample and if=20
ample why are barns used ?
Raccoons have flourished since dogs could nor run free. The painted=20
turtle nesting site on Moosehorn Lake was raided year after year to=20
obliteration and I expect designing a raccoon-proof Swift nesting site=20
would be a challenge.
As before, if anyone cares to experiment, the woodlot in North Alton=
=20
is available. Having thought about this more I suspect the most=20
practical design would be a short rock and mortar 'chimney' with a sheet=20
metal disk on top to make it Raccoon proof.
Yt, DW, Kentville
------ Original Message ------
From: "Donna Crossland" <dcrossland@eastlink.ca>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Sent: 6/23/2018 10:03:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Cliff Swallows
>Hi Nancy: I was delighted to take Ally Manthorne on a swift (as in=20
>'quick') "swift tour" of nesting swifts in barns in East Dalhousie and=20
>Cherryfield a few weeks back. We were surprised to discover the barn=20
>swallow nest built over top of the swift nest. This is new=20
>construction this year. Dr Cindy Staicer and I examined that nest last=20
>year, and I believe it had been active. I haven't been back to see=20
>whether the swifts (which hadn't started to nest in any of the barns at=20
>that point) will build a new nest or move elsewhere. The trouble is=20
>that subsistence farming is pretty well terminated in the area and=20
>barns are falling down, as you well know. I will continue to try and=20
>convince a few others who own barns to open up their hay loft window. =20
>Spread the word if you can. (We were successful with one barn in=20
>Cherryfield, and it is now occupied by swifts once again.) My guess is=20
>that any barn in that area would offer a welcome nest site to the=20
>swifts. (Goodness knows there are few trees remaining to consider, and=20
>chimneys are now lined. Where are they to nest?)
>
>The barn in the photo is the old Sleigh barn located across from Flossy=20
>Wright's place. It's not kept open deliberately for the birds but=20
>there is a growing colony of cliff swallows inside, sort of like we=20
>witnessed a few decades ago. It is unusual for them to be inside the=20
>barn, quite correct. But this barn has a huge open door at the back=20
>and that seems to make the difference to the birds. It is more open to=20
>the outdoors than other barns. The barn had been used more recently=20
>than most for llamas and horses. If you go, you may want to knock on=20
>the door of the house across the road and let them know why you are=20
>there.
>
>I will be in East Dalhousie early tomorrow afternoon at my mother's=20
>house if you want to check out some "barn swifts". I assume they are=20
>nesting in my mother's barn by now. They are always later than the=20
>tree swallows. (Four of our tree swallows fledged today in the=20
>valley.)
>
>All the best, Nancy.
>
>Donna Crossland
>
>
>On 2018-06-21 4:31 AM, NancyDowd wrote:
>>The ones I saw yesterday were on the outside of a building. The nests pho=
tographed on the Jun 3 eBird report https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S46353=
043 are in a barn that is kept open deliberately for the Swallows, Swifts e=
tc. I was also surprised to hear they nested inside. Possibly the open door=
s make the inside as good as (or better than) the usual under-eaves-on-the-=
outside setup. I will try to find out more. Donna C might comment on those=
barn-nesting Cliff Swallows.
>>
>>Nancy
>>
>>
>>>On Jun 20, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Ronald Arsenault <rongarsenault@gmail.com>=
<mailto:rongarsenault@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Cliff Swallows typically nest on the outside of buildings, and not insid=
e. Anything different about this barn that would make it enticing for the=
Cliff Swallows to nest inside?
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:39 PM, nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com> <mail=
to:nancypdowd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>I read that Cape Breton is where they are most common/faring best. The c=
olony inside the nearby barn apparently has 24 =E2=80=9Cjugs=E2=80=9D. But=
I don=E2=80=99t know how many are occupied. Perhaps the ones I saw today ar=
e breakaways from that group (speculation)?.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Jun 20, 2018, at 6:09 PM, bdigout <bdigout@seaside.ns.ca> <mailto:bd=
igout@seaside.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 20 Jun 2018 17:50, NancyDowd wrote:
>>>>>This came up rare on eBird so I will post here in case it is of
>>>>>interest. Today the harsh call of Cliff Swallows at a mud puddle
>>>>>surprised me. They were gathering pellets and ferrying them to the
>>>>>side of a building:
>>>>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42877832992/in/dateposted-=
public/
>>>>>There is no established colony on the peak of this unfinished
>>>>>building as of now- just mud bits here and there so they must be just
>>>>>beginning.
>>>>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42877827072/in/dateposted-=
public/https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/41116620870/in/dateposte=
d-public/
>>>>>
>>>>>Ally Manthorne reported an active long-term colony inside a barn not
>>>>>far from here on eBird this June (while she was searching for Swift
>>>>>nests). This is the first time I have noticed Cliff Swallows in this
>>>>>area away from the latter property although I am quite sure there are
>>>>>others here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nancy
>>>>>E Dalhousie, Kings Co
>>>>>
>>>>I noticed a total of 4 occupied entrances today in the small Cliff Swa=
llow colony in Louisdale, Rich. Co.
>>>>Billy
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Ronald G. Arsenault
>>>Halifax, Nova Scotia
>>>
>
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<body><div>Hi All,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 To refresh a nag, it would be=
great if someone could get a datalogger into some of these barns where Swif=
ts have productive nests. True enough, temperature tolerances may be very w=
ide but data would guide future construction of nest sites e.g. on roofs. N=
ests are thought to be ample but are Raccoon-proof nesting sites really amp=
le and if ample why are barns used ?=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Raccoons =
have flourished since dogs could nor run free. The painted turtle nesting=
site on Moosehorn Lake was raided year after year to obliteration and I exp=
ect designing a raccoon-proof Swift nesting site would be a challenge.=C2=
=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As before, if anyone cares to experiment, the w=
oodlot in North Alton is available. Having thought about this more I suspec=
t the most practical design would be a short rock and mortar 'chimney' with =
a sheet metal disk on top to make it Raccoon proof.=C2=A0</div><div>Yt, DW=
, Kentville</div>
<div><br /></div>
<div>------ Original Message ------</div>
<div>From: "Donna Crossland" <<a href=3D"mailto:dcrossland@eastlink.ca">=
dcrossland@eastlink.ca</a>></div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
</a></div>
<div>Sent: 6/23/2018 10:03:59 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Cliff Swallows</div><div><br /></div>
<div id=3D"x48fb7bd50ed34a1" style=3D"color: #000000"><blockquote cite=3D"9=
c14c577-3c2c-3e9c-2147-ab536a484509@eastlink.ca" type=3D"cite" class=3D"cit=
e2">
<p>Hi Nancy:=C2=A0 I was delighted to take Ally Manthorne on a swift (a=
s
in 'quick') "swift tour" of nesting swifts in barns in East
Dalhousie and Cherryfield a few weeks back.=C2=A0 We were surprised t=
o
discover the barn swallow nest built over top of the swift nest.=C2=
=A0
This is new construction this year.=C2=A0 Dr Cindy Staicer and I
examined that nest last year, and I believe it had been active.=C2=A0 =
I
haven't been back to see whether the swifts (which hadn't started
to nest in any of the barns at that point) will build a new nest
or move elsewhere.=C2=A0 The trouble is that subsistence farming is
pretty well terminated in the area and barns are falling down, as
you well know.=C2=A0 I will continue to try and convince a few others
who own barns to open up their hay loft window.=C2=A0 Spread the word
if you can.=C2=A0 (We were successful with one barn in Cherryfield, a=
nd
it is now occupied by swifts once again.)=C2=A0 My guess is that <u>a=
ny
</u>barn in that area would offer a welcome nest site to the
swifts.=C2=A0 (Goodness knows there are few trees remaining to
consider, and chimneys are now lined.=C2=A0 Where are they to nest?)<=
/p>
<p>The barn in the photo is the old Sleigh barn located across from
Flossy Wright's place.=C2=A0 It's not kept open deliberately for the
birds but there is a growing colony of cliff swallows inside, sort
of like we witnessed a few decades ago.=C2=A0 It is unusual for them=
to
be inside the barn, quite correct.=C2=A0 But this barn has a huge ope=
n
door at the back and that seems to make the difference to the
birds.=C2=A0 It is more open to the outdoors than other barns.=C2=A0=
The
barn had been used more recently than most for llamas and horses.=C2=
=A0
If you go, you may want to knock on the door of the house across
the road and let them know why you are there.=C2=A0 <br />
</p>
<p>I will be in East Dalhousie early tomorrow afternoon at my
mother's house if you want to check out some "barn swifts".=C2=A0 I
assume they are nesting in my mother's barn by now.=C2=A0 They are
always later than the tree swallows.=C2=A0 (Four of our tree swallows
fledged today in the valley.)<br />
</p>
<p>All the best, Nancy.<br />
</p>
<p>Donna Crossland<br />
</p>
<br />
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-21 4:31 AM, NancyDowd wrote:<=
br />
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:21146D27-0FC0-43F6-8F44-173AB439C=
028@gmail.com" class=3D"cite">
<pre wrap=3D"">The ones I saw yesterday were on the outside of a buil=
ding. The nests photographed on the Jun 3 eBird report <a class=3D"moz-txt-=
link-freetext" href=3D"https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S46353043">https://=
ebird.org/view/checklist/S46353043</a> are in a barn that is kept open deli=
berately for the Swallows, Swifts etc. I was also surprised to hear they ne=
sted inside. Possibly the open doors make the inside as good as (or better=
than) the usual under-eaves-on-the-outside setup. I will try to find out mo=
re. Donna C might comment on those barn-nesting Cliff Swallows.
Nancy
</pre>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite">
<pre wrap=3D"">On Jun 20, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Ronald Arsenault <a cla=
ss=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:rongarsenault@gmail.com"><ro=
ngarsenault@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Cliff Swallows typically nest on the outside of buildings, and not inside. =
Anything different about this barn that would make it enticing for the Cli=
ff Swallows to nest inside?
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:39 PM, nancy dowd <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc239=
6E" href=3D"mailto:nancypdowd@gmail.com"><nancypdowd@gmail.com></a> w=
rote:
I read that Cape Breton is where they are most common/faring best. The colo=
ny inside the nearby barn apparently has 24 =E2=80=9Cjugs=E2=80=9D. But I d=
on=E2=80=99t know how many are occupied. Perhaps the ones I saw today are b=
reakaways from that group (speculation)?.=20
Sent from my iPad
</pre>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite">
<pre wrap=3D"">On Jun 20, 2018, at 6:09 PM, bdigout <a class=3D"m=
oz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:bdigout@seaside.ns.ca"><bdigout@sea=
side.ns.ca></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite">
<pre wrap=3D"">On 20 Jun 2018 17:50, NancyDowd wrote:
This came up rare on eBird so I will post here in case it is of
interest. Today the harsh call of Cliff Swallows at a mud puddle
surprised me. They were gathering pellets and ferrying them to the
side of a building:
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/15=
0605880@N07/42877832992/in/dateposted-public/">https://www.flickr.com/photo=
s/150605880@N07/42877832992/in/dateposted-public/</a>
There is no established colony on the peak of this unfinished
building as of now- just mud bits here and there so they must be just
beginning.
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/15=
0605880@N07/42877827072/in/dateposted-public/">https://www.flickr.com/photo=
s/150605880@N07/42877827072/in/dateposted-public/</a>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/15=
0605880@N07/41116620870/in/dateposted-public/">https://www.flickr.com/photo=
s/150605880@N07/41116620870/in/dateposted-public/</a>
Ally Manthorne reported an active long-term colony inside a barn not
far from here on eBird this June (while she was searching for Swift
nests). This is the first time I have noticed Cliff Swallows in this
area away from the latter property although I am quite sure there are
others here.
Nancy
E Dalhousie, Kings Co
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">I noticed a total of 4 occupied entrances today i=
n the small Cliff Swallow colony in Louisdale, Rich. Co.
Billy
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">
--=20
Ronald G. Arsenault
Halifax, Nova Scotia
</pre>
</blockquote>
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